I'm just curious here, I know most lube oil we use is "made" in the USA...or refined rather...but I'm curious who uses what source of crude for their oil? Are there some brands that use American crude vs imported?
Engine oil pumped from American soil?
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Maybe from the Gulf? Good question .
There are various websites that show where companies purchase their oil such as this website ( http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/foreignoil.html ). There are better sites I have seen, but this is an example.
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Originally Posted By: SecondMonkey
I'm just curious here, I know most lube oil we use is "made" in the USA...or refined rather...but I'm curious who uses what source of crude for their oil? Are there some brands that use American crude vs imported?
I think American Refining Group uses only Pennsylvanian Grade crude oil. I doesn't come from PA anymore (at least much of it), but it's a domestic product.
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I'm just curious here, I know most lube oil we use is "made" in the USA...or refined rather...but I'm curious who uses what source of crude for their oil? Are there some brands that use American crude vs imported?
I think American Refining Group uses only Pennsylvanian Grade crude oil. I doesn't come from PA anymore (at least much of it), but it's a domestic product.
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Wish some of that was available locally. Having taken exception to Purolator now being German owned, it has sunk in that the Pennzoil I have used for ever 30 years is now owned by Royal Dutch Shell. I hate the Arabs, Nigerians, and Hugo Chevez. I am also thinking abandoning my nearly 20 year old practice of new dino every 3 months. Got my Blackstone bottles today. Oil is largely imported. Analysis dollars stay in America. So do the premium for synthetic if purchased from an American company.
Since a chunk of what little wealth I have is in Conoco/Phillips stock, I was thinking of going Kendall. I haven't found any of their full synthetic locally. Maybe I will go with Mobil 1. After the way Ashland Chemical mistreated me as an employee in the 70's, Valvoline isn't on the list.
Does ARG make a full synthetic?
Since a chunk of what little wealth I have is in Conoco/Phillips stock, I was thinking of going Kendall. I haven't found any of their full synthetic locally. Maybe I will go with Mobil 1. After the way Ashland Chemical mistreated me as an employee in the 70's, Valvoline isn't on the list.
Does ARG make a full synthetic?
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Wish some of that was available locally. Having taken exception to Purolator now being German owned, it has sunk in that the Pennzoil I have used for ever 30 years is now owned by Royal Dutch Shell. I hate the Arabs, Nigerians, and Hugo Chevez. I am also thinking abandoning my nearly 20 year old practice of new dino every 3 months. Got my Blackstone bottles today. Oil is largely imported. Analysis dollars stay in America. So do the premium for synthetic if purchased from an American company.
Since a chunk of what little wealth I have is in Conoco/Phillips stock, I was thinking of going Kendall. I haven't found any of their full synthetic locally. Maybe I will go with Mobil 1. After the way Ashland Chemical mistreated me as an employee in the 70's, Valvoline isn't on the list.
Does ARG make a full synthetic?
You are certainly full of hate. Use ur american oil, but i wonder what gas and petrol you will use...American ?
Wish some of that was available locally. Having taken exception to Purolator now being German owned, it has sunk in that the Pennzoil I have used for ever 30 years is now owned by Royal Dutch Shell. I hate the Arabs, Nigerians, and Hugo Chevez. I am also thinking abandoning my nearly 20 year old practice of new dino every 3 months. Got my Blackstone bottles today. Oil is largely imported. Analysis dollars stay in America. So do the premium for synthetic if purchased from an American company.
Since a chunk of what little wealth I have is in Conoco/Phillips stock, I was thinking of going Kendall. I haven't found any of their full synthetic locally. Maybe I will go with Mobil 1. After the way Ashland Chemical mistreated me as an employee in the 70's, Valvoline isn't on the list.
Does ARG make a full synthetic?
You are certainly full of hate. Use ur american oil, but i wonder what gas and petrol you will use...American ?
Maybe I'm going to switch to BradPenn/Kendall next Oil change....
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Odds say it will be Canadian
Canada is #1 with about 2:1 margin over the next in line
They have a snyth blend
Canada is #1 with about 2:1 margin over the next in line
They have a snyth blend
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
Odds say it will be Canadian
Canada is #1 with about 2:1 margin over the next in line
They have a snyth blend
I'd use Canadian oil in a heartbeat...I like our allies. I do often wish I was a Valvoline man but never got into it...I do have all valvoline paraphernalia though as surplus from 10yrs ago when my then roomie managed a quick lube place that was all Valvoline.
Odds say it will be Canadian
Canada is #1 with about 2:1 margin over the next in line
They have a snyth blend
I'd use Canadian oil in a heartbeat...I like our allies. I do often wish I was a Valvoline man but never got into it...I do have all valvoline paraphernalia though as surplus from 10yrs ago when my then roomie managed a quick lube place that was all Valvoline.
Oil is a commodity, which means trying to deprive foreign suppliers of your money by buying from domestic supliers is useless. Its like taking a bucket of water from only one side of a lake.
The only way to reduce the amount of money going to those foreign sources is to reduce total demand which then reduces price. That means smaller more efficient cars, houses, and less consumption overall. I don't think this is a choice our fellow Americans are willing to make because it would mean some (gasp) sacrifice.
The only way to reduce the amount of money going to those foreign sources is to reduce total demand which then reduces price. That means smaller more efficient cars, houses, and less consumption overall. I don't think this is a choice our fellow Americans are willing to make because it would mean some (gasp) sacrifice.
They carry a good selection of Kendall at Pep boys.
Brad Penn oil states that is made with 100% Pennsylvania crude oil:
http://www.bradpennracing.com/
Another thing I wonder is if the low volume synthetic manufacturers (RP, Redline,etc) get their synthetic basestocks exclusively from the USA.
http://www.bradpennracing.com/
Another thing I wonder is if the low volume synthetic manufacturers (RP, Redline,etc) get their synthetic basestocks exclusively from the USA.
Originally Posted By: Lorenzo
Oil is a commodity, which means trying to deprive foreign suppliers of your money by buying from domestic supliers is useless. Its like taking a bucket of water from only one side of a lake.
The only way to reduce the amount of money going to those foreign sources is to reduce total demand which then reduces price. That means smaller more efficient cars, houses, and less consumption overall. I don't think this is a choice our fellow Americans are willing to make because it would mean some (gasp) sacrifice.
Not entirely accurate. The public is now going to expect tax rebates and such because of programs like Cash for Clunkers. Why not have your cake and eat it too? All the people who have made moves to reduce demand on their own have done it already it seems.
I think too much is made of ordinary people driving cars. A big drop in consumption will happen if this nation's trucks are outfitted with newer, better technology. NYC is starting to purchase diesel-hybrid garbage trucks en masse and other localities are sure to follow after watching NYC.
Oil is a commodity, which means trying to deprive foreign suppliers of your money by buying from domestic supliers is useless. Its like taking a bucket of water from only one side of a lake.
The only way to reduce the amount of money going to those foreign sources is to reduce total demand which then reduces price. That means smaller more efficient cars, houses, and less consumption overall. I don't think this is a choice our fellow Americans are willing to make because it would mean some (gasp) sacrifice.
Not entirely accurate. The public is now going to expect tax rebates and such because of programs like Cash for Clunkers. Why not have your cake and eat it too? All the people who have made moves to reduce demand on their own have done it already it seems.
I think too much is made of ordinary people driving cars. A big drop in consumption will happen if this nation's trucks are outfitted with newer, better technology. NYC is starting to purchase diesel-hybrid garbage trucks en masse and other localities are sure to follow after watching NYC.
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I think too much is made of ordinary people driving cars. A big drop in consumption will happen if this nation's trucks are outfitted with newer, better technology. NYC is starting to purchase diesel-hybrid garbage trucks en masse and other localities are sure to follow after watching NYC.
There will be no drop in consumption as long as there is relatively abundant supply. You may stem the increases in consumption by diddling with economy measures. Rail has to be rehabilitated to really reduce demand and the JIT supply model needs to advance its timing ..30 day net may need to go to 60day or 90day net. Lots of complications.
I think too much is made of ordinary people driving cars. A big drop in consumption will happen if this nation's trucks are outfitted with newer, better technology. NYC is starting to purchase diesel-hybrid garbage trucks en masse and other localities are sure to follow after watching NYC.
There will be no drop in consumption as long as there is relatively abundant supply. You may stem the increases in consumption by diddling with economy measures. Rail has to be rehabilitated to really reduce demand and the JIT supply model needs to advance its timing ..30 day net may need to go to 60day or 90day net. Lots of complications.
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
A local/regional gas chain called Kwik Fill adverts that their gas is all "North American" refined (on TV, I noticed there's no such statements on their website)...
Isn't nearly all gasoline refined close to the point of consumption? You don't see, for example, oil being refined to gasoline in Kuwait, having the gasoline put on tankers, and shipped to the US. Rather, they ship the crude here, we refine it, and sell it domestically.
Europe has their own refineries.
A local/regional gas chain called Kwik Fill adverts that their gas is all "North American" refined (on TV, I noticed there's no such statements on their website)...
Isn't nearly all gasoline refined close to the point of consumption? You don't see, for example, oil being refined to gasoline in Kuwait, having the gasoline put on tankers, and shipped to the US. Rather, they ship the crude here, we refine it, and sell it domestically.
Europe has their own refineries.
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Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
A local/regional gas chain called Kwik Fill adverts that their gas is all "North American" refined (on TV, I noticed there's no such statements on their website)...
Isn't nearly all gasoline refined close to the point of consumption? You don't see, for example, oil being refined to gasoline in Kuwait, having the gasoline put on tankers, and shipped to the US. Rather, they ship the crude here, we refine it, and sell it domestically.
Europe has their own refineries.
Well, other times US gasoline comes from Canadian and Mexican refineries.
In many cases it is because getting a permit to build or expand an oil refinery in the USA is next to impossible.
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
A local/regional gas chain called Kwik Fill adverts that their gas is all "North American" refined (on TV, I noticed there's no such statements on their website)...
Isn't nearly all gasoline refined close to the point of consumption? You don't see, for example, oil being refined to gasoline in Kuwait, having the gasoline put on tankers, and shipped to the US. Rather, they ship the crude here, we refine it, and sell it domestically.
Europe has their own refineries.
Well, other times US gasoline comes from Canadian and Mexican refineries.
In many cases it is because getting a permit to build or expand an oil refinery in the USA is next to impossible.
Originally Posted By: heypete
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
A local/regional gas chain called Kwik Fill adverts that their gas is all "North American" refined (on TV, I noticed there's no such statements on their website)...
Isn't nearly all gasoline refined close to the point of consumption? You don't see, for example, oil being refined to gasoline in Kuwait, having the gasoline put on tankers, and shipped to the US. Rather, they ship the crude here, we refine it, and sell it domestically.
Europe has their own refineries.
In some ways we are lucky the Middle East has wasted their petro dollars on armaments. If they put it into refineries and chemical plants, they could have destroyed another big chunk of our industry. Salt is another key building block to the chemical industry.
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
A local/regional gas chain called Kwik Fill adverts that their gas is all "North American" refined (on TV, I noticed there's no such statements on their website)...
Isn't nearly all gasoline refined close to the point of consumption? You don't see, for example, oil being refined to gasoline in Kuwait, having the gasoline put on tankers, and shipped to the US. Rather, they ship the crude here, we refine it, and sell it domestically.
Europe has their own refineries.
In some ways we are lucky the Middle East has wasted their petro dollars on armaments. If they put it into refineries and chemical plants, they could have destroyed another big chunk of our industry. Salt is another key building block to the chemical industry.
Originally Posted By: Michael_P
There are various websites that show where companies purchase their oil such as this website ( http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/foreignoil.html ). There are better sites I have seen, but this is an example.
I agree with the spirit of this document but it is painfully out of date with some inaccuracies. For example, all Amoco stations are now BP and to my knowledge Conoco/Phillips is one company and BP/Phillips was never a company.
I have known for quite a while that Sunoco is mostly American oil but the only problem i have with it here is that all grades are 10% ethanol including the 94 octane Ultra.
I use BP/Amoco gas most of the time with an occassional Marathon, Exxon/Mobil or Shell fillup. I used to use Speedway gas but I dont use it any more since I think it is cut rate gas.
There are various websites that show where companies purchase their oil such as this website ( http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/foreignoil.html ). There are better sites I have seen, but this is an example.
I agree with the spirit of this document but it is painfully out of date with some inaccuracies. For example, all Amoco stations are now BP and to my knowledge Conoco/Phillips is one company and BP/Phillips was never a company.
I have known for quite a while that Sunoco is mostly American oil but the only problem i have with it here is that all grades are 10% ethanol including the 94 octane Ultra.
I use BP/Amoco gas most of the time with an occassional Marathon, Exxon/Mobil or Shell fillup. I used to use Speedway gas but I dont use it any more since I think it is cut rate gas.
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Speedway and Marathon are both marketed through Emro. My daughter worked for them as a coop while getting her engineering degree.
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