Cross Climate 2

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New England had a nasty winter storm of snow, sleet, freezing rain.

I skiied an epic 4 hrs of powder snowing 1-3”/hr entire time yesterday and drove back in it.

Cross climate 2 near half worn did so well. No issues in snow on 2015 Pilot on drive home . The rain line started 30 miles from my home and the state plow strategy was leaving 3” of snow treated with salt/sand to make slush for passable roads as it rained instead of glare ice.

A friend following in their newer Pilot struggled with new BLIZZACK winter tires to keep up with me going 40-45 on highway and fell back. The ability to shed water is amazing and in this case Cross Climate the superior winter tire in conditions. I know CC2 they lose on ice.
 
I’ve heard so many positive things about them both online and from people in person while I was shopping for new tires! I have to admit, though, I just don't find them very appealing to look at. It seems like most buyers prioritize functionality over aesthetics, so I'm probably in the minority on this one. I’m glad you had a reliable set for the elements and had a great time on your ski trip!
 
I always notice a few vehicles at the Plain City, OH Costco with CC2's on them. Lots of Japanese shoppers at that location with Honda R&D in nearby Raymond and a few Honda plants close by.
 
I have had them on my All Track for 24,000 miles. Fantastic wet an snow traction for me and they handle extremely well in the summer on dry roads. Overall, a really great tire!
 
I’ve heard so many positive things about them both online and from people in person while I was shopping for new tires! I have to admit, though, I just don't find them very appealing to look at. It seems like most buyers prioritize functionality over aesthetics, so I'm probably in the minority on this one. I’m glad you had a reliable set for the elements and had a great time on your ski trip!
I’m with you on this one, I have avoided certain tires over the years simply because I didn’t like the look of the tread design, especially if I was putting them on one of my sports cars. I don’t like the look of the CC2 at all, I prefer the look of the all weather tires that I have on my Civic. They are the Nokian Remedy WRG5, which cost me less than the CC2 would have, and has the same 60,000 mile tread wear rating. And these tires have been fantastic in the snow here, and were having a very snowy winter here too (the worst one in about 25 years actually)
 
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Nokian winter biased tires including all seasons have this horrible habit of not if but when they wear funny sound like mud tires on a 4x4 making so much noise. I have been using them for over 25 years including current Acura ILX which make it usable in snow however turned loud.

Michelin stayed silent. The price is irrelevant to me as . Michelin are ugly tread pattern agreed. 👍
 
I know they're not really related but I recently rented a Uhaul truck with Michelin Agilis CrossClimate tires on it. Surprising because every Uhaul truck I've ever rented has tires worn to the cords. The outside tread block looks like the other crossclimate tires. Very impressed. Drove it through some very heavy snow and even empty it did great!
 
Nokian winter biased tires including all seasons have this horrible habit of not if but when they wear funny sound like mud tires on a 4x4 making so much noise. I have been using them for over 25 years including current Acura ILX which make it usable in snow however turned loud.

Michelin stayed silent. The price is irrelevant to me as . Michelin are ugly tread pattern agreed. 👍
I didn’t have that problem with previous Nokian all weather tires though. I had a set of WRG3s on my ex wife’s BMW and they were quiet right until the end of their tread life.

My last set of all weather tires were cheap Minerva ones and they got very loud towards the end. But I had 102,000 km on them and they actually still had about 1/4 of the tread left (would have kept running them if it was summer time but I know they would have been terrible in the snow at that point-they were bad enough when they were new)

But if these Nokians get too loud then I will look for something else in 3 years time when I will need new tires. By then there will probably be a new version of the CC that might look better 🤓
 
New England had a nasty winter storm of snow, sleet, freezing rain.

I skiied an epic 4 hrs of powder snowing 1-3”/hr entire time yesterday and drove back in it.

Cross climate 2 near half worn did so well. No issues in snow on 2015 Pilot on drive home . The rain line started 30 miles from my home and the state plow strategy was leaving 3” of snow treated with salt/sand to make slush for passable roads as it rained instead of glare ice.

A friend following in their newer Pilot struggled with new BLIZZACK winter tires to keep up with me going 40-45 on highway and fell back. The ability to shed water is amazing and in this case Cross Climate the superior winter tire in conditions. I know CC2 they lose on ice.
I like the CC2's and have recommended to many. My sister has them year round a bit further upstate. My brother-in-law got them for 3 season, he didn't like them in winter on his Tiguan compared to his Nokian's but said they were much better than many.

I have to presume friend following is similar age and driving experience in same conditions. I think @edyvw commented that the new Blizzak WS90's were much improved for wet over older ones. Were they struggling in the snow portion or the slush portion? Did they or you change transmission/drive setting to snow or other? Struggling to keep up - was that the conversation with them or observation of them being further back?

Possibly the more open CC2 does better with the slush than the Blizzak? Unless YOU drove both it would be hard to say also on tolerance. Maybe he didn't feel as confident to push it as other days? I've done the after skiing all day, tired, probably less attentive slow down and just get home safe thing. Going to my mom's the other day in slush in the '19 Pilot, I was going slower on 5-6/32" Conti WinterContact Si's. I could feel some slipping but mainly from observing others sliding and panicking. I was leaving a bunch of extra room away from them which worked out to be a good strategy for me as there were many spin outs and accidents.
 
I've had All-Weathers from Nokian; Toyo & now Michelin CC2 and these are by far the better grip in dry & snow.
Haven't tried the ice yet, but judging by the number of sipes I'd expect it to be good. I agree with you that the looks are not
the best, but function to me is more important. The Blizzak are good till you get down to 50% tread and then they no longer perform as well (this from old tests) perhaps now they're better!
 
New England had a nasty winter storm of snow, sleet, freezing rain.

I skiied an epic 4 hrs of powder snowing 1-3”/hr entire time yesterday and drove back in it.

Cross climate 2 near half worn did so well. No issues in snow on 2015 Pilot on drive home . The rain line started 30 miles from my home and the state plow strategy was leaving 3” of snow treated with salt/sand to make slush for passable roads as it rained instead of glare ice.

A friend following in their newer Pilot struggled with new BLIZZACK winter tires to keep up with me going 40-45 on highway and fell back. The ability to shed water is amazing and in this case Cross Climate the superior winter tire in conditions. I know CC2 they lose on ice.
You really cannot compare tires based on the fact that someone following you fell behind. Maybe they just did not feel comfortable.

But to your point:
1. Blizzak starts deeper. Could CC2 be better in evacuating slush? Absolutely! It is all about thread design and how fast it can evacuate slush. That is where A/T tires in snow are actually good.
2. Is CC2 going to be better in rain. Not that it is, it SHOULD! Winter tires are generally not as good as all weather, all season, especially summer tires in rain. Why? Compound. And here I am not talking hydroplaning, I am talking braking and handling. Excellent ice braking/handling performance and excellent wet braking/handling performance just don't go together. Snow tires will have far better ice braking/handling performance than all-weather tires. Difference between Blzizak WS90 and CC2 in ice stopping in tests is between 16-20ft at 12mph on the ice ring (the difference in snow braking difference is very similar). CC2, on the other hand, performs much better in wet braking, being almost 30ft better at 60mph.
CC2 has to do a lot of stuff, so when designing tires, the question is, who will buy them? Some people think that their exploitation does not require tires like WS90, which means they might need better wet performance bcs. warmer climate, melting snow etc. CC2 really excels in wet. In typical snow performance, no, they don't. Bcs. most important snow performance is braking and handling. How good CC2 is in snow? Actually, it stops a few feet further than the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S4 and, on ice, performs the same as the Continental DWS06.
And here we come to an important point. Are DWS06 and Pilot A/S4 going to perform the same at super cold temperatures, let's say -10f or -20f as CC2? Probably not, as CC2 will have a more flexible compound. But that also means that CC2 will not perform nearly as good as snow tires in those temperatures.

WS90 is by far the best snow tire I drove in wet (and I owned probably 50 different snow tire models in the last 30yrs). And that says something as VikingContact7 was an extremely good performer before. I also had Nokian Hakka R2 that was excellent in snow and ice but in the rain? Praying worked better than actually stepping on the brake pedal. Does WS90 perform as well in wet as Continental DWS06+ I use in summer on BMW or the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S3 that I have on Tiguan? Absolutely not! But for winter tire, they perform exceptionally well in wet.
 
I put all weather CC2 on my daily a FWD Scion TC over 3 years ago. Where I live only get snow 2 or 3 times a year and ice rain at least once a year. We do get a lot of rain. This car never liked snow or heavy rain at all with the all season tire sets I had on it previously with the CC2 it is no big deal. I like the CC2 a bunch and will be buying them again for other vehicles.
 
Other variables aside (tire pressure and winter versus summer blended fuel), have any of you CC2 users noticed a decrease in your gas mileage after having switched to the CC2?
 
Literally just clicked place order on some CC2s for our CR-V. Current Defenders have almost 50k on them but wanting a little better winter performance especially as we start traveling and driving more on trips with the kids.
 
Other variables aside (tire pressure and winter versus summer blended fuel), have any of you CC2 users noticed a decrease in your gas mileage after having switched to the CC2?
I asked my dad this the other day when thinking about buying. He has a '13 Crosstour and said he hasn't noticed any disernible difference or loss.
 
I’ve heard so many positive things about them both online and from people in person while I was shopping for new tires! I have to admit, though, I just don't find them very appealing to look at. It seems like most buyers prioritize functionality over aesthetics, so I'm probably in the minority on this one. I’m glad you had a reliable set for the elements and had a great time on your ski trip!
lol wow
 
Snow with decent in winter all seasons does not scare me. My knock against winter tires owned of past was how poor they were in wet which is majority of New England coastal winter.

2”-3” Slush with ponding water/driving rain is very humbling to any tire including winter tires, Michelin CC2 performed very well with this attribute.
 
I had planned to order these for my wife's Honda Pilot. America's Tire (Discount Tire) associate near me said they have received many complaints that they are noisy. So, opted for the Pirelli Scorpion AS Plus 3
 
Snow with decent in winter all seasons does not scare me. My knock against winter tires owned of past was how poor they were in wet which is majority of New England coastal winter.

2”-3” Slush with ponding water/driving rain is very humbling to any tire including winter tires, Michelin CC2 performed very well with this attribute.
So, it is the exploitation variable you are talking about.
I drove CC and CC2 here in the Rockies in the snow. They cannot come close in winter performance to snow tires. But that is generally a problem with anything that has "ALL" in its name. Too many compromises, variables etc. They work well in certain scenarios or if the driver knows what to prioritize based on his/her needs.
But generally, the better tire in wet, the worse in ice.
 
I literally jacked up my VW T4 in Ohio when traveling from Oregon to Novia Scotia because I thought I had a bad wheel bearing. It was the Nokian WRG3 making noise. Thankfully they didn’t last too much longer.
 
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