I know. That was my point. No data.
Cross Climate 2 Snow Performance
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The design is similar to high performance winter tires. Something like Pilot Alpin.
Nokian doesn’t have means like Michelin to go separate route.
You never heard of Nokian Weatherproof which got replaced by the SeasonProof in 2020.
Nokian Tyres Weatherproof - Beyond four seasons / Nokian Tyres
The Nokian Tyres Weatherproof product family offers first class safety and durability for year-round use. All of the sizes have the Snowflake symbol (3PMSF), which indicates that the tyres have been officially approved for winter use.
www.nokiantyres.com
Nokian Tyres Seasonproof - Peace of mind beyond four seasons / Nokian Tyres
As an optimal solution for drivers who want to say goodbye to the seasonal tire changes, the new Nokian Tyres Seasonproof offers safety and convenience for every day of the year. The Nokian Tyres Seasonproof is a reliable and safe all-season tire for snowy and slushy winter days with top-notch...
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But, Nokian's marketing decided that the US/Canada market is better served with a performance winter tire based tire for the all-weather marekt, probably due to the primary market of Quebec, Canada, as in the cities, people don't have the space to store 2 sets of tires. Many of the cheapos run a cheap winter tire year-round, especially since they don't drive outside of the major cities too much.
Even the European CC2's are slightly different than the US/Canada market ones. First, we don't have the alignment indicators on the shoulder blocks. Second, it is speculated that the tire compound is softer for Europe, as the US/Canada needed a harder compound for mileage warranty, as Michelin marketing deemed that to be an important factor.
Yeah, I did hear about all those tires.You never heard of Nokian Weatherproof which got replaced by the SeasonProof in 2020.
Nokian Tyres Weatherproof - Beyond four seasons / Nokian Tyres
The Nokian Tyres Weatherproof product family offers first class safety and durability for year-round use. All of the sizes have the Snowflake symbol (3PMSF), which indicates that the tyres have been officially approved for winter use.Nokian Tyres Seasonproof - Peace of mind beyond four seasons / Nokian Tyres
As an optimal solution for drivers who want to say goodbye to the seasonal tire changes, the new Nokian Tyres Seasonproof offers safety and convenience for every day of the year. The Nokian Tyres Seasonproof is a reliable and safe all-season tire for snowy and slushy winter days with top-notch...
But, Nokian's marketing decided that the US/Canada market is better served with a performance winter tire based tire for the all-weather marekt, probably due to the primary market of Quebec, Canada, as in the cities, people don't have the space to store 2 sets of tires. Many of the cheapos run a cheap winter tire year-round, especially since they don't drive outside of the major cities too much.
Even the European CC2's are slightly different than the US/Canada market ones. First, we don't have the alignment indicators on the shoulder blocks. Second, it is speculated that the tire compound is softer for Europe, as the US/Canada needed a harder compound for mileage warranty, as Michelin marketing deemed that to be an important factor.
I get why they did it. Not that average customers actually pays attention to what exactly that tire is. It is all about marketing. Same like their pot hole warranty etc.
And no, they are not Michelin or Continental.
But, they do have manufacturing capability to produce US/Canada specific tires at their Dayton, TN plant.
Continental brand has their AllseasonContact, but they made a business case not to bring it to the US/Canada, but instead sell something under their General brand.
AllSeasonContact™: Be in control of every season. | Continental
German engineered safety all year round. Stay in control through every season. Trust in reliable all-season grip and braking performance. Count on outstanding driving efficiency.
www.continental-tires.com
The Nokian Tyres One pothole warranty is enabled by the Aramid Armor sidewall reinforcement technology from their SUV/CUV/Truck tires lineup.
Aramid or not. It is marketing. They are not anymore stout than Michelin, Continental etc. They just need a way to get on the market. There are 6-7 brands I would trust more than Nokian whent it comes to integrity of a tire.But, they do have manufacturing capability to produce US/Canada specific tires at their Dayton, TN plant.
Continental brand has their AllseasonContact, but they made a business case not to bring it to the US/Canada, but instead sell something under their General brand.
AllSeasonContact™: Be in control of every season. | Continental
German engineered safety all year round. Stay in control through every season. Trust in reliable all-season grip and braking performance. Count on outstanding driving efficiency.
The Nokian Tyres One pothole warranty is enabled by the Aramid Armor sidewall reinforcement technology from their SUV/CUV/Truck tires lineup.
As for production , it is irrelevant where they are made. You make compound you want, whether that is in the US or you import it, it doesn’t matter.
You’re inferring Nokian doesn’t have the capacity to produce when it does, even after Russia invading Ukraine
I’ve had bubbles with the big boys tires slamming into potholes. But never had issues with Nokian aramid armor sidewalls or even Kumho, despite that you think aramid sidewalls are gimmicks
I do not think they are gimmicks. It is just that many do it same, and some do much better.
I personally never had bubbles due to potholes, regardless of brand.
As for production, I did not refer to production capacity but sophistication. They are not playing first-tier league. Before Russia invading UKR they were working on a US plant.
Put a set of these on wife's Forester last weekend. These tires have had good reviews and seemed like a good choice. Happy to read here that other users have had good foul weather experience with them.
They were a little more costly than various alternatives, but what does a hundred bucks or so more on a set of tires matter over their life?
I'm upset (didn't realize that another form of that word was going to be ******** out) that after installing 2 sets on 2 different cars, I haven't had a chance to try them in the snow! Grr..................................
Winter is still coming although it's hard to think of at this time of the year. We actually had some nasty wind blown frozen delight yesterday, although the ground is too warm now to make it a factor.
Come November you'll get to experience these tires in winter conditions.
Where I am, I think it might be a few more days of cold here and there but as for snow, probably not. I could be wrong though. We had 90 degree days last week. This week started out cold but is supposed to be in the 80s on Friday.
60 degree weather here at best, and not much of that. Haven't had anything warmer yet
What's sophisticated about tire manufacturing, that Michelin is on the cutting edge? Like forgetting to machine in DOT and UTQG information on the molds that led to a recall on CrossClimate+ , not so long ago (2020)?
Of course, they are. More so than any other manufacturer.
Nokian also does more testing on ice and snow than any other tire company, they use soybean oil to make alot of their tires
This is anecdote and meaningless. I regularly drive all over the NYC metro area which has some of the ****tiest road quality in the US and I’ve not had an issue with any non-RFT tire. This includes 30 aspect ratio Michelins. I actually believe that sidewall reinforcement as seen in RFT tires and possibly this aramid armor nonsense is responsible for increased susceptibility to sidewall bubbles. RFTs get bubbles super easily as the class action lawsuits indicate.
I mean, they have the largest R&D budget and consistently finish near the top of the class in most categories in tests. Their performance tires have been benchmarks for the past 20 years. What more do you want?
They are cutting edge when it comes to their leadership ignoring the QC-techs and hopes no one will notice
Among other things. You see, you are actually admitting.
