Cold engine noise with Amsoil 0w30 in a Toyota 3.5

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Hopefully you experience better results with the ASL; i know i did.

I don't know for sure if YOU will, but hey it was worth a try.

I've got several other toyota vehicles that i've used other filters on with no problems. But for some reason, these cannister filters have caused some noises. And, these engines are quite technologicaly advanced vs. others.

Let us know how it goes.
 
I used SSO in my Prius for the last 2 years, 16,000 mi drain interval. I had no problems but did begin to notice a bit of noise at cold start. Just went back to Mobil 1 0w-30 and it is now very quiet all the time. I have heard that Toyotas seem to like Mobil 1 and there might be something to it.
 
Originally Posted By: 3Toyotas
Hopefully you experience better results with the ASL; i know i did.

I don't know for sure if YOU will, but hey it was worth a try.

I've got several other toyota vehicles that i've used other filters on with no problems. But for some reason, these cannister filters have caused some noises. And, these engines are quite technologicaly advanced vs. others.

Let us know how it goes.


I've decided to try the Amsoil 5w30 ASL and a Toyota filter after the holidays in about 2-3 weeks.
I'll post if there's the SSO noise I had or not.
Unfortunately if there isn't any noise,we won't know if it's the ASL or the Toyota oil filter that stopped the noise.
Once again,thanks to all who replied.
 
Like i said previously, i experienced no noises with ASL; even at the first initial fireup after change.

I know for a fact it wasn't the filter causing it in my situation, as i have always used OEM. I had noises with ASM and SSO initially; now with 4k miles on the SSO i have none.

In regards to the guy running SSO in his prius that experienced the noises, I think this & this thread has pushed me even closer to my decision on my next fill in the tundra.

ASL will be going back in the sump.

Gary, i'd like you to comment here if you would. Is this a big no-no, where Amsoil don't recomend this oil for the 5.7?
Or will i be just fine?
 
The Toyota 3.5L 2GR-FE engine uses HLAs. I used to own a 1993 Mazda MX-6 2.5 V6, and the Mazda KL V6 engine (also with HLAs) was also ultra sensitive to oil quality and viscosity.

I've only done 6,000km in my 2008 RX350 and so far the engine is silent (on the OEM Lexus oil). OTOH, the 3MZ-FE 3.3L in the RX330 uses solid lifters.
 
I have an '06 Sienna with the 3.3 3MZ-FE. The oil filter is mounted at about 45 to 60 degrees upright from horizontal, so a good ADBV is paramount. I am running the SSO 0W30 with the Mann oil filter. I noticed alot of cold start valvetrain noise. At 5000 miles, I swapped out the Mann filter for the Dealer OEM filter. The valve train is now much quieter at startup (morning temps have been around 0 to 10 degrees F). The Mann filter, while well made, seems to have an inferior ADBV vs the oem Denso. I have previously used Carquest blue filters (silicon ADBV) with PYB and not had as much start up noise as I did with the Mann. I wouldn't hesitate to use the Mann filters again but only in horizontal or downward mount positions.
 
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I've used SSO in a 2AZ-FE (2003 Camry) and a GA16DE (1992 Sentra). Noticed a certain startup noise as well and more so in the older car when compared to 5W-30 Castrol GTX. Ended up dumping it way too early at 3k... Then I cleaned with Auto-Rx and I noticed a little less startup noise with the SSO than with the GTX. For the SSO I used the EaO filters and the GTX I used Wix.

My take is that since GTX is a group III it was able to better cut through the dirt/sludge because group III's have superior solvency to PAOs so it was better able to handle a dirty engine than a mostly-PAO (group iv) based oil.

Last thing... AMSOIL has updated their top 0W-30 from SSO to AZO and brought up other viscosities to have the same robust add pack. One thing I didn't like about SSO: they said it can go 15k/25k, but around 7-8k (even after cleanings) startup noise increased dramatically. I'm surprised such a robust/expensive oil would degrade to that point so early in it's expected life. I've been adding 4 oz Auto-Rx as a dose and I don't get that noise till maybe 12k and it starts up much much easier and quieter throughout that 12k life.

Anyway, I'm planning to try out their new ASL to see if that helps. I'm in SoCal, but noticed that even though the SSO is thinner than the 5W-30 GTX, the cars start up SO SMOOTH and QUIET in 100F weather more so than cold so I'm assuming the 0W being too thin is a bunch of [censored], so it's hard to say what the ASL will do. Worth a shot.
 
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I have a 2003 Toyota Sienna with the 1MZFE motor, which has a timing belt.
This vehicle has the dual cams and VVT-i
It does NOT have the hood pad....the sound deadning pad on the underside of the hood.....and it has the premium sound proofing.

When the Sienna went to the motor with a timing CHAIN, they started installing a hood silencer pad.
I mention this because it MIGHT be a factor as far as the timing chain noise?
 
Group 111 is not GTX . At best it would be group 11 + but since BP tells you so little your guess is as good as mine. No big deal except quite a few examples re. dino being more quiet vs syn in alot of motors A good example is the White Bottle in DI motorsbeing quieton start ups.
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Originally Posted By: ottotheclown
Group 111 is not GTX . At best it would be group 11 + but since BP tells you so little your guess is as good as mine. No big deal except quite a few examples re. dino being more quiet vs syn in alot of motors A good example is the White Bottle in DI motorsbeing quieton start ups.
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I noticed that in mine.
 
I also noticed ASM and SSO loud in the two vehicles I ran them in. I switched to Egde 0W20 and 5W30 using the same brand filters and both vehicles were noticeably quieter. Now IMO Castrol killed gold bottle Edge with the change to SN so once my SM stash is used up it's back to the drawing board.
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Too late to edit. IMO the change to SN has some oils looking better and some looking worse, at least on the PDS sheets. For the real oil fanatics that could mean picking a favorite oil all over again. At least in my case, and probably the case of many others here. LOL
 
Originally Posted By: wiswind
It does NOT have the hood pad....the sound deadning pad on the underside of the hood.....and it has the premium sound proofing.


Our '07 T&C Signature Series had the premium sound proofing also, but was missing the underhood pad. I don't know if the factory just ran out and didn't order more or what, but it was supposed to have it. Could be that your Sienna's pad is just "missing".
 
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Originally Posted By: wiswind
It does NOT have the hood pad....the sound deadning pad on the underside of the hood.....and it has the premium sound proofing.


Our '07 T&C Signature Series had the premium sound proofing also, but was missing the underhood pad. I don't know if the factory just ran out and didn't order more or what, but it was supposed to have it. Could be that your Sienna's pad is just "missing".


I'm hearing that the hood pad is also "missing" in newer Corolla. I also saw a post on a "mod" that consisted of removing the pad that resulted in MPG increase. I never tried that myself.
 
I have the 2GR-FE engine and it's noisy on startup. Lately it's noisier that average and the last oil change was 5W20 (by toyota dealer who only stocks 0W20 and 5W20 now) vs the previous 5W30 oils. Next change will be GC 0W30, so I will test the noise vs thin oil hypothesis.
 
I had read someplace that the hood pad was added in later model years because the timing chain makes more noise than the belt.

However, looking up the 2004 Sienna XLE, on the toyotapartszone website, they list a hood pad, and this motor also has a timing BELT.
My 2003 Sienna does NOT have a hood pad listed at all on the same website.

A timing chain does make more noise (normally) than a timing belt.....however, I don't see how a timing BELT sound would change with oil choice......where a timing chain "could".
The other noise sources are still there with a timing belt motor, valvetrain, fuel injector and so on.

Of course, choice of oil in the crankcase would have NO impact on injector noise, but it is another sound that one needs to be aware of.
 
the oil you use has no effect on the engine noise, there is a technical service bulletin that addresses that issue. there are updated parts to correct that problem. its not an oil issue its a design flaw which is why toyota has issued the bulletin and new updated parts.
 
Originally Posted By: lui
the oil you use has no effect on the engine noise, there is a technical service bulletin that addresses that issue. there are updated parts to correct that problem. its not an oil issue its a design flaw which is why toyota has issued the bulletin and new updated parts.


You are talking about the engine tick noise with MIL on TSB. The OP is not talking about this issue. We are talking about normal cold engine noise.
 
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