They’re small targets yet. It’s easier to go after corporations than it is individual shops. They’re likely using a common tuning solution that allows this to happen like Cobb supplies.
Cobb Tuning Hit With $2.9 Million Fine Over Emissions Defeat Devices
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It’s a threat to our bureaucracy.
There's no such thing. Agencies are always given discretion with regards to how they make use of the limited funding they're given every year. Surely you don't want the EPA to run down every customer and haul them into federal court? That would cost a lot of money and time.
Naw. It's cheaper from a manpower perspective to spend the resources going after the sellers of these items rather than the customers. Surely you don't want the EPA to run down every customer?
Did i say a word about customers? Did I say anything about wanting anything?
You’re right. They shouldn’t have a budget to go haul people (or corporations, for that matter) into court or fine them unless a grand jury indicts them. Otherwise, an agency with federal powers could become weaponized and simply penalize their way to a larger budget… oh, wait…
Well they wouldn't be in court unless they were indicted. If you want to pay more in taxes to pay for that sort of thing it could happen. You just have to ask nicely. lol.
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I would argue that a manufacturer intentionally creating devices and tunes to delete emissions systems shows a lot more intent than buying a product to do so. I still wouldn't do a cat delete, but I'm fully aware my tuner can do it without a check engine light. I've been wondering how so many still offer this option after APR already got busted for it.
How was that not absolutely clear?
Wait, were you serious?
Simply zip tieing the rear O2 to the frame or body defeats the check engine light on a converter delete.
So are zip tie manufacturers going to get sued too?
Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
Sounds good to me.
The sith were like 2 versus 10,000 and they won.
They’re offering a tuning solution that allows everything to be properly hooked up and not create a check engine light. They’ve put a lot of research into this to charge $600 for a tune to do so.
I don’t understand why you’re so bent on defending this. Grounding the plug likely isn’t something that works on modern cars which is what they’re tuning out. This works around that issue.
Seems to work on 2000s dodges. Most people just use spark plug non-foulers.
I get that there are other solutions, but these tuners are getting in trouble for developing specific software to work around this.
I’ve done the anti fouler thing before on a 2005 Nissan. It still is using the O2 sensor, but backs the sensor pickup out of the flow enough to look like the cat is working. I still had a cat on the car, but I removed the cat inside the exhaust manifold when I installed a header. It was the lazy solution instead of extending the wires and installing a new O2 bung.
That is a cherry pick stat. Where emissions matters has a very high concentration of population of the entire USA.
Ever drive behind a car where bro removed his cats? In Ontario it seems super common.
I even saw a Ferrari 458 where someone must have done this.
Aftermarket exhaust was spewing smoke and smelled like ****.
I even saw a Ferrari 458 where someone must have done this.
Aftermarket exhaust was spewing smoke and smelled like ****.
Cobb doesn’t do any diesel tunes as far as I know, especially not the big truck diesels…
I don't think so either, but Cobb definitely won't be the last tuner to be hit. They weren't the first to be hit for this either.
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