Bought some hpl 5w40

[shortyb]

Great speech. I'm gonna make one with a bit of blasphemy to the BITOG cognati by saying, buying $15/qt is fantastic, and you get a quality product. But is it really necessary?

Before y'all turn on the flame throwers, I used to think/act/buy the same way. I put unicorn tears in all my cars thinking it would give them super powers or something like that, only to sell/trade/total them later. Found early on (through the use of this forum) that there are many great oils that perform very well AND are inexpensive/readily available.

Whats great is that we have a choice, and its through the forum that insight is spread so we can all make that choice of what oil fits our needs/wants/desires. For me now, while I appreciate boutique oil blenders out there like HPL et al, and what they offer to the folks seeking something more, I'll take my Castrol 0W-40. I guarantee my car will run just fine til I die (and then far past that) and save a few bucks for bourbon and cigars.

/heresy

 

[OVERKILL]

According to HPL, the oil meets or exceeds:

VW 502 00/505 00
Porsche A40
ACEA A3/B4
API SN/CF
Daimler MB 229.5/226.5
Renault RN0700/0710
PSA (2018) B71 2296

There's nothing that I could find that indicates the oil has approvals. Have I missed that information? Although you said that the base additive package is approved for:

For some folks, having formal approvals is important. For others, especially those knowing that the source of the oil is HPL, we trust the product and the people who make it, and approvals are not so important.

Hope everyone had a great and enjoyable weekend.

Note I said the additive package, then look at the statement I made after the list of approvals: "However, the oil itself has not been formally submitted for those approvals.".

You can buy an additive package from Infineum, Afton, Oronite...etc that has those approvals and will yield an approved or approvable product when mixed with one of the appropriate base oil blends. However, I suspect once you make any changes, you are no longer able to inherit the approvals from the additive package, and the choice of base oil blends being different may also veto that. There may also be some that you have to formally submit the product to be tested for. I'm not intimately familiar with the details for this process, but as an example, here's the Oronite additive package page:

https://www.oronite.com/products-technology/automotive/passenger-car-motor-oils.html
The OLA 54120 additive package is A3/B4 and designed to meet LL-01 for example. It is usable in 5W-30 and 5W-40. Note it doesn't say 0W-30 and 0W-40.

 

[Shel_B]

Note I said the additive package, then look at the statement I made after the list of approvals: "However, the oil itself has not been formally submitted for those approvals.".

You can buy an additive package from Infineum, Afton, Oronite...etc that has those approvals and will yield an approved or approvable product when mixed with one of the appropriate base oil blends. However, I suspect once you make any changes, you are no longer able to inherit the approvals from the additive package, and the choice of base oil blends being different may also veto that. There may also be some that you have to formally submit the product to be tested for. I'm not intimately aware with the details for this process, but as an example, here's the Oronite additive package page:

https://www.oronite.com/products-technology/automotive/passenger-car-motor-oils.html
The OLA 54120 additive package is A3/B4 and designed to meet LL-01 for example. It is usable in 5W-30 and 5W-40. Note it doesn't say 0W-30 and 0W-40.

Thanks for the explanation. I missed the second part of your original post until it was too late for me to make any changes to my response.

 

[OVERKILL]

Thanks for the explanation. I missed the second part of your original post until it was too late for me to make any changes to my response.

You are quite welcome.

 

[xgmad]

If you're on BITOG, I assume you (public) care how the oil performs as well. Otherwise, many people here would grab an A40 or ACEA A3/B4 off the shelf per their manual and go about bird watching or something else. If you're looking for something more than the minimum spec, you have to get certs and approvals off your mind.

All I know is that I bought somewhat expensive oil that is 100x better than some crusty Castrol from the parts store, no 15w40 I dont want to accidently kill the cat. everything for the new Jetta.

 

[RooflessVW]

All I know is that I bought somewhat expensive oil that is 100x better than some crusty Castrol from the parts store, no 15w40 I dont want to accidently kill the cat. everything for the new Jetta.

Why would 15W-40 kill a cat

 

[Vermess]

For HPL, their Euro/Supercar 5W-40 would easily crush that 203 hour engine test like a bug under their shoe. However, they won't move enough volume of it to break even on the six figure cost to have it licensed.

Thanks for that info. I was not aware that some certs can cost six figures, however considering the man hours involved in the A40 test, it would make sense.

Now, considering the name recognition of Porsche and their owner's willingness to spend the money(they bought a Porsche), you don't think that investment by a company would yield a return quick enough to make the investment worth it? Do you think that not enough volume will be moved to even consider a investment like that by a small blender.?

 

[RooflessVW]

Thanks for that info. I was not aware that some certs can cost six figures, however considering the man hours involved in the A40 test, it would make sense.

Now, considering the name recognition of Porsche and their owner's willingness to spend the money(they bought a Porsche), you don't think that investment by a company would yield a return quick enough to make the investment worth it? Do you think that not enough volume will be moved to even consider a investment like that by a small blender.?

No.

Keep in mind that there is a whole market for rebuilt M96 engines, with a several year queue even.

These are $20k+ engines going in $20k cars and the Driven oil recommended by (with formulation input by) the premier M96 engine builder is still not A40 Approved because the ROI is not there.

The oil stands on its own. A40 is just extra cost.

 

[Shel_B]

No.
[...]
The oil stands on its own. A40 is just extra cost

I feel the oil stands on the shoulders of Dave and his team. I trust the good people at HPL, so I'm buying more than "just oil." There's a little bit of Dave additive in my crankcase as well.

 

[Vermess]

No.

Keep in mind that there is a whole market for rebuilt M96 engines, with a several year queue even.

These are $20k+ engines going in $20k cars and the Driven oil recommended by (with formulation input by) the premier M96 engine builder is still not A40 Approved because the ROI is not there.

The oil stands on its own. A40 is just extra cost.

That answered my question. Thanks.

 

[Astro14]

Folks, let’s stick to oil, and avoid the jokes about Dave.

 

[xgmad]

Why would 15W-40 kill a cat

there is a chance for the catalytic convertor to go bad with 15w40, but it is rare for me, but I heard the EA888.3's PCV valve might be a hit or miss. I don't want to poison the cat by running some hdeo

 

[RooflessVW]

there is a chance for the catalytic convertor to go bad with 15w40, but it is rare for me, but I heard the EA888.3's PCV valve might be a hit or miss. I don't want to poison the cat by running some hdeo

Why would HDEO poison a cat

 

[OVERKILL]

there is a chance for the catalytic convertor to go bad with 15w40, but it is rare for me, but I heard the EA888.3's PCV valve might be a hit or miss. I don't want to poison the cat by running some hdeo

The HDEO 15W-40 won't have much more phosphorous than the Full-SAPS Euro oil. It has more, but the difference isn't huge. If neither get to the cats, it doesn't matter anyways.

 

[xgmad]

What year is your Jetta?

2022!

 

[2015Corolla]

There's a little bit of Dave additive in my crankcase as well.

There are some things money can't buy.

 

[dlundblad]

All I know is that I bought somewhat expensive oil that is 100x better than some crusty Castrol from the parts store, no 15w40 I dont want to accidently kill the cat. everything for the new Jetta.

Does a Castrol 15w40 specifically come crusty or could I also get crustiness in a 5w40 or 0w40 as well?

 

[shortyb]

Does a Castrol 15w40 specifically come crusty or could I also get crustiness in a 5w40 or 0w40 as well?

I think the crustiness comes from the person that uses it. At least thats what everyone tells this old guy. Stay off my lawn.

Anyway, VW breathers used to be very hit or miss, nowadays they are pretty good IMHO. Oil vapor mitigation design in a newer EA888 is decent and essentially confines it to the intake side. Main cat is close coupled to the turbo so unless you get a leaky seal, no oil gets to it or the exhaust. Shouldn't worry too much about dead cats on a 22. My bet is it will be long gone from your stable before any trouble brews with emissions related equipment from oil use. Rock that HPL if it makes ya happy though.

 

[dlundblad]

I think the crustiness comes from the person that uses it. At least thats what everyone tells this old guy. Stay off my lawn.

Anyway, VW breathers used to be very hit or miss, nowadays they are pretty good IMHO. Oil vapor mitigation design in a newer EA888 is decent and essentially confines it to the intake side. Main cat is close coupled to the turbo so unless you get a leaky seal, no oil gets to it or the exhaust. Shouldn't worry too much about dead cats on a 22. My bet is it will be long gone from your stable before any trouble brews with emissions related equipment from oil use. Rock that HPL if it makes ya happy though.

I’m also surprised a 2022 calls for an A3/B4 VW502 oil, but I guess that’s beyond the scope of the thread.

 

[xgmad]

I’m also surprised a 2022 calls for an A3/B4 VW502 oil, but I guess that’s beyond the scope of the thread.

Thats odd, I havent read the manual or looked at the sticker on it calling for 502.00 oil. Im pretty sure 508.00 is mostly 0w20.