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Sure. Still, if one is not chasing bang for a buck, Castrol Edge 0W30 is best Euro oil.
With that additive pack, LSPI is non issue.
BMW B58 Engine Oil Recommendation
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With that additive pack, LSPI is non issue.
So what is considered better (LSPI aside) - "weak" SP ad pack and a higher HTHS like the oils Chris listed, or stronger ad pack of SN and a bit less HTHS like Motul Specific LL-01FE?
FWIW my owner's manual (S58) says SL/SM/SN and LL-01FE only.
I have to imagine the BMW 0w30 SP/FE oil is sufficient, but maybe not for track. The Mini version is cheaper too and I would imagine the same thing.
FWIW my owner's manual (S58) says SL/SM/SN and LL-01FE only.
I have to imagine the BMW 0w30 SP/FE oil is sufficient, but maybe not for track. The Mini version is cheaper too and I would imagine the same thing.
SP additive packs in the 40 grade are not weak. Check the VOA for PP Euro 5W-40 or Mobil 1 0W-40 SP. FE is not better for anything but BMW's CAFE. Any of PP Euro or Motul XCess 5W-40 Gen 2 are better as is M1 0W-40. The Castrol 0W-30 A3/B4 is the only non-SP oil I would even consider. However, I don't know I agree with edy that it's better than the xW-40s mentioned. It has a ton of PAO and low Noack, but an old school looking additive package, not even considering the calcium.
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Ahh yes, I forgot the SP limits don't apply to 40 grades...
Thanks again for the feedback. I'm going to roll with the 5w40 X-cess Gen 2 from Motul, it appears that LL-01 is still technically approved for the B58B30M1. If I'm thinking about this objectively, the engine would be less likely to have catastrophic damage running a better oil vs a weaker oil, and I plan to own this car for at least 5 years.
My thought process: Why put unnecessary wear on the front end mileage of car to try and appease a warranty situation that I'm very unlikely to need in the first place, only to potentially compound issues later in the vehicle's mileage.
It looks like the Gen 2 version of this covers LSPI coverage as well with the SP certification. I think the only downside I can see to this oil other than being a gray area with warranty coverage is it may contribute to valve deposits over time.
As I get the opportunity, I'll post my UOA results as I test the above theory.
My thought process: Why put unnecessary wear on the front end mileage of car to try and appease a warranty situation that I'm very unlikely to need in the first place, only to potentially compound issues later in the vehicle's mileage.
It looks like the Gen 2 version of this covers LSPI coverage as well with the SP certification. I think the only downside I can see to this oil other than being a gray area with warranty coverage is it may contribute to valve deposits over time.
As I get the opportunity, I'll post my UOA results as I test the above theory.
The KV100 on this recent VOA sold me - much higher than the Motul data sheet. HTHS should be about 3.2 - 3.3 or so which is fine enough for street driving.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/motul-specific-0w30-ll-01-fe-voa.376968/#post-6718631
Grabbed two jugs
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/motul-specific-0w30-ll-01-fe-voa.376968/#post-6718631
Grabbed two jugs
It’s a fine oil but I don’t see any benefit over regular LL-01. The lower HTHS is a net negative unless you’re paranoid over warranty. I’d just use the XCess / PP 5W-40, M1 0W-40, or perhaps edy’s favorite Edge 0W-30. The KV100 doesn’t really matter IMO. The HTHS is still < 3.5.
For a B58 I think it’s perfectly fine but wouldn’t go out of my way to get it.
If I was tracking I would agree for sure. It's for an S58 and my commute is only 5 miles so any bit of help with mileage on a coldish engine is a net positive for me. Of course I still get out there and stretch its legs once a week or so.
edyvw
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Roll like it is 2003. Use Castrol Edge 0W30!
then ,the castrol edge 0-30 for europe is the best choice for us european , being SP and having a modern additive package and tons of PAO too,less than the US one, is the best choice.
https://msdspds.castrol.com/bpglis/...E1641FB802588FC0038227E/$File/wepp-cd758b.pdf
It's fine. This C3 version doesn't have as much PAO and the lower VI of the A3/B4 version. I'm not sure it's any better or worse than the M1 or Shell equivalents. If you have an N43 engine then you don't have to care about LSPI. You can use any LL01 or LL04 and not care.
With respect the oil specs for the S58 are unlikely to be the same as for the B58.
B58 allows LL-17 0w20. Both engines also allow for LL-01FE and LL-01.
So similar but not the same.
As an example a 2020 B58 can use LL04, LL-12FE or LL-17FE+, no mention on my iDrive manual or printed manual for LL01FE or LL01 though.
For top ups up to a litre of C2, C3 or C5 (only on iDrive, paper manual doesn’t have C5 listed)
Approved Viscosities are 0w20, 5w20, 0w30, 5w30, 0w40 or 5w40
In 2020 the B58 isn’t specced for any LL01 oil in the UK, I don’t know when this was changed or if they ever specced LL01 in the UK and Europe
The quote you replied to says N43 engine. The other poster is in NA also.
No mention of either engine
He is talking about the S58
An engine doesn’t change its technical requirements because it’s in North America
You don’t get special engines
And this thread is about the B58, not the S58 and not the N54
He is talking about the S58/B58 then references the oil spec of the N54, his entire post isn’t about the N54
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All B58 can use LL01 or LL04.
Are you unable to read? It seems that way. Svenson has an N43 and I was replying to him.
Also, the engine requirements do change for NA because the cars have no GPF in NA. Try reading and understanding before you act like a jerk. I am intimately familiar with the TIS oil page given I have an S55 and change the oil on a B58 TU regularly.
Tell that to BMW then. The recommended oils inside and outside of Europe are different, even for the same engines.