Best method for testing oil for uoa?

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I have decided I want to test and compare 2 oils and have uoa done on them. What would be the best method to do this?
For example, I want to test PU and GT-1. Should I run PU test, run a GT-1 in between OC then run the GT-1 I am going to test? Does that even make sense?
Also this is a new engine, approximately how many miles should be on it before testing? I don't want any "break-in" wear to cloud the results.
I appreciate the help and hopefully my post makes sense.
 
New engines don't settle down for at least 7500-10,000 miles, sometimes longer.

What car do you have? Nissan 3.5/3.7 liter engines don't settle down until 15,000 miles or more.

Once engine is broken in you can do back-to-back UOAs.
 
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Depending on the engine, break-in could take up to 30,000 miles. Unless it is a diesel. Then it could take up to 50,000 miles.

Any UOAs done before 20,000 miles will likely be clouded by break-in wear.
 
I'm inclined to run a UOA after two or three runs of a given oil.
This will greatly reduce the presence of remaining additives from the previous oil used, providing cleaner results both with respect to elemental analysis as well as oil performance.
Just my personal preference.
 
Originally Posted By: BeerCan
I have decided I want to test and compare 2 oils and have uoa done on them. What would be the best method to do this?........


The best method is to do as a research tribologist or powertrain/lubrication engineer would do it. Be prepared to spend several thousand dollars.
 
Originally Posted By: BeerCan
I have decided I want to test and compare 2 oils and have uoa done on them. What would be the best method to do this?
For example, I want to test PU and GT-1. Should I run PU test, run a GT-1 in between OC then run the GT-1 I am going to test? Does that even make sense?
Also this is a new engine, approximately how many miles should be on it before testing? I don't want any "break-in" wear to cloud the results.
I appreciate the help and hopefully my post makes sense.


You can't. That isn't what UOA's are designed to do.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/used-oil-analysis/

Please read.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: BeerCan
I have decided I want to test and compare 2 oils and have uoa done on them. What would be the best method to do this?
For example, I want to test PU and GT-1. Should I run PU test, run a GT-1 in between OC then run the GT-1 I am going to test? Does that even make sense?
Also this is a new engine, approximately how many miles should be on it before testing? I don't want any "break-in" wear to cloud the results.
I appreciate the help and hopefully my post makes sense.


You can't. That isn't what UOA's are designed to do.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/used-oil-analysis/

Please read.


If oil A consistently holds up better in use per UOA than does oil B, then I think we can say that oil A is the superior oil.
If we can't use UOAs as an oil comparison tool and we can't use them as a tool to measure wear, then what can we use them for?
I have used my first Polaris kit as a source of entertainment, and it provided that commensurate with its cost.
I have six more doses of this abstract entertainment available, and I'm sure that all will be fun, unless they prove to be alarming.
 
Originally Posted By: fdcg27

If we can't use UOAs as an oil comparison tool and we can't use them as a tool to measure wear, then what can we use them for?


Read the link.
 
I have.
The link tells us that we can use UOAs to determine the safe operating life of an oil.
If that isn't an oil comparison tool, then what is it?
 
Originally Posted By: SL8R
Originally Posted By: fdcg27

If we can't use UOAs as an oil comparison tool and we can't use them as a tool to measure wear, then what can we use them for?


Read the link.


Bingo.
 
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: BeerCan
I have decided I want to test and compare 2 oils and have uoa done on them. What would be the best method to do this?
For example, I want to test PU and GT-1. Should I run PU test, run a GT-1 in between OC then run the GT-1 I am going to test? Does that even make sense?
Also this is a new engine, approximately how many miles should be on it before testing? I don't want any "break-in" wear to cloud the results.
I appreciate the help and hopefully my post makes sense.


You can't. That isn't what UOA's are designed to do.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/used-oil-analysis/

Please read.


If oil A consistently holds up better in use per UOA than does oil B, then I think we can say that oil A is the superior oil.
If we can't use UOAs as an oil comparison tool and we can't use them as a tool to measure wear, then what can we use them for?
I have used my first Polaris kit as a source of entertainment, and it provided that commensurate with its cost.
I have six more doses of this abstract entertainment available, and I'm sure that all will be fun, unless they prove to be alarming.


Define "holds up better".

If you mean that oil A shows better TBN retention, then yes, we can say oil A is a better long-drain oil.

It does't tell you that A is controlling wear any better than B however.

Now, including particle count data can start to give us a better picture here! But the real teller is tear-downs... which nobody here does.

The idea, as well documented in the article, of UOA's is to tell us of significant issues like coolant leaks, TBN depletion, air filtration problems, contamination and to warn of impending mechanical issues due to significant spikes in the levels of metals detected.
 
The link says that we may be able to spot markers of impending doom with experience.
It does tell us specifically that we can use UOAs to determine the safe operating life of an oil.
To me, this is a comparison tool.
When I wrote of how well an oil holds up in service, I was thinking of residual TBN, which many UOAs lack.
Never saw the point of a UOA without TBN.
 
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
The link says that we may be able to spot markers of impending doom with experience.
It does tell us specifically that we can use UOAs to determine the safe operating life of an oil.
To me, this is a comparison tool.
When I wrote of how well an oil holds up in service, I was thinking of residual TBN, which many UOAs lack.
Never saw the point of a UOA without TBN.


OK, then we are on the same page, as that's what I just detailed in the post above yours.
 
In terms of wear, I agree with you, and this issue has been hashed out at length in the "Mobil 1 produces higher iron wear" threads of a few years back.
Without counts of a pretty broad range of particles, a UOA tells you very little about wear, and if UOA results show really outrageous levels of any given wear metal, something is badly wrong, and it ain't the oil.
 
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
In terms of wear, I agree with you, and this issue has been hashed out at length in the "Mobil 1 produces higher iron wear" threads of a few years back.
Without counts of a pretty broad range of particles, a UOA tells you very little about wear, and if UOA results show really outrageous levels of any given wear metal, something is badly wrong, and it ain't the oil.


Exactly
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OK you know I have been reading this site on a off for awhile, and I guess I should have read that link before now. I was going off what is probably a common preconception when it comes to oil analysis. I think I will do a uoa or 2 just for grins in the future, realizing my original concept for them was flawed.
For the record it is a 3.5 ecoboost with 1k miles at this time.
 
Originally Posted By: BeerCan
OK you know I have been reading this site on a off for awhile, and I guess I should have read that link before now. I was going off what is probably a common preconception when it comes to oil analysis. I think I will do a uoa or 2 just for grins in the future, realizing my original concept for them was flawed.
For the record it is a 3.5 ecoboost with 1k miles at this time.


It is a VERY common misconception for sure, so no worries.

Your UOA's can and will be useful. Just not for what you originally intended. Finding how long you can safely run your oil is a very valid use for them
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