Mobil 1 Undeserved Bad Reputation?

ChrisD46 said:
OP here : For sake of arguement what I should have focused on is that Mobil 1 UOA’s or VOA’s can be deceiving just by looking at numbers alone (i.e. especially Moly if you don’t know the type of Moly used ?) Other additives may show low (or may not show up in a UOA or VOA at all) causing one to wrongly assume M1 oils compared to other brand oils make M1 oils not look so good …. The higher additive numbers must be better” hypothesis ?
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I’ve run two 10k mile intervals in my mustang with Mobil 1, one with Valvoline and one with Castrol. Yeah Valvoline uses a lot of moly in their blend, Castrol uses titanium, guess which one did better? I can’t answer that because the wear metals aren’t significantly different. They’ve all held up and they’ve all ran fine.

Plasma spectroscopy destroys all the chemistry of whatever additive molecules were the oil. Yes it gives you an idea what’s in the oil but it’s like asking what cut of steak is for dinner and the only answer you get back is beef. That’s nice but the details of what kind of beef matter.

It can’t tell if I’ve added more ZDDP or if I’ve pointlessly sprinkled in some powdered zinc and phosphorus. It also can’t tell if that zinc and phosphorus were still bound in a useful ZDDP molecule or if they’ve been used up and are just floating around as spent additive.

People adding up ppm of elements and declaring one oil better than another “because it has more” is just about the dumbest thing you could do and yet you see these types of reviews all over the place.

Mobil 1 0w-30 ESP has become a goto when changing oil for friends and family. Readily available, not expensive, lower saps, low pour point, GTL/PAO/Grp3 blend. Plus they’re usually running a rebate or promotion.
 
Plumb Bob said:
Until then, silence.
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You are new here. Probably a previous reject!

Did they silence you previously and back to stir the pot again?

On a more serious note, with regards to my preference for shorter OCIs, I do NOT need or seek any approvals! Got it?

If you don't like it or don't agree with it, I respect your opinion. To each his own!
 
Nesterenko said:
I agree Shel. Tens of millions of gallons over Pennzoil, Castrol, Valvoline etc? Might be a stretch.
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I want to clarify - I also meant tens of millions of gallons in the general market place. Not over anyone else.

ILMA’s / house brands still represent the largest market share in the U.S. by alot. Over 40% of the U.S. market is house brands & ILMA blends. Which far exceeds any single brand.
 
RevvCats said:
I’ve run two 10k mile intervals in my mustang with Mobil 1, one with Valvoline and one with Castrol. Yeah Valvoline uses a lot of moly in their blend, Castrol uses titanium, guess which one did better? I can’t answer that because the wear metals aren’t significantly different. They’ve all held up and they’ve all ran fine.

Plasma spectroscopy destroys all the chemistry of whatever additive molecules were the oil. Yes it gives you an idea what’s in the oil but it’s like asking what cut of steak is for dinner and the only answer you get back is beef. That’s nice but the details of what kind of beef matter.

It can’t tell if I’ve added more ZDDP or if I’ve pointlessly sprinkled in some powdered zinc and phosphorus. It also can’t tell if that zinc and phosphorus were still bound in a useful ZDDP molecule or if they’ve been used up and are just floating around as spent additive.

People adding up ppm of elements and declaring one oil better than another “because it has more” is just about the dumbest thing you could do and yet you see these types of reviews all over the place.

Mobil 1 0w-30 ESP has become a goto when changing oil for friends and family. Readily available, not expensive, lower saps, low pour point, GTL/PAO/Grp3 blend. Plus they’re usually running a rebate or promotion.
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Say you have a DI engine , the M1 0W30 ESP has a VI of 180 . Do you have any concerns regarding VII’s and possible IVD’s with that higher VI 180 number over a typical 5K mile OCI ?
 
The only thing I can add to this is this .... We use Mobil 1 5w30 in a police fleet, Explorer 3.3L and Durango 3.6L, Tahoe 5.3L when we take the units out of service they have about 80,000 miles and 15,000 total hours, oil samples are done during the run, all very good results, looking inside the valve cover thru the oil cap, absolute like new clean, no oil related failures at all, I mean None, 0 , Nada.


Most common engine issues, (having nothing to do with oil)

Explorer 3.3L water pump
Durango 3.6L oil cooler fails, oil gets pumped into cooling system
Tahoe 5.3L lifter failure from the Dynamic Fuel Management, only had 1 do this.
 
doublebase said:
Here’s an example. This was just posted 3 hours ago on a Facebook post on a high mileage Toyota page regarding high mileage motor oils.

Supertech outperforms Mobile 1 garbage by far in all testing. Mobile 1 is way at the bottom of all testing against all big name oils. Amsoil of course lands on top I. Legitimate testing over all other oils as it's 1 of only 2 legitimate actual true synthetic oils. I would not put Mobile 1 in a lawnmower let alone my car.

🤣🤣🤣
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Oh no I have Mobil 1 in the wife's lawn mower now. Better run out and change it.
 
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ChrisD46 said:
Say you have a DI engine , the M1 0W30 ESP has a VI of 180 . Do you have any concerns regarding VII’s and possible IVD’s with that higher VI 180 number over a typical 5K mile OCI ?
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Low saps oil and a catch can, mostly the catch can, keep valve deposit worries away.
 
Interesting thing I noticed last night at store between the M1 ESP 0W-30 and M1 AFE 0W-30 (Advanced Fuel Economy). They had The jugs next to each other. AFE for $24.97 and ESP for $27.97 both regular prices.

The AFE jug says "Protects for 10,000 miles, Guaranteed*" but no mileage guarantee on the ESP jug even though M1 website says it's for "extended drain interval".

I'm sure the "guarantee" is if you follow your OM or 1 year max or something to that effect ... But still none of that on the ESP jug!
 
Furious said:
I experimented with a few oils, I been a long time user of QS/Pennzoil products mostly QS High Mileage but I tested Valvoline Full Synthetic High Mileage and Mobil 1 Full Synthetic High Mileage.

Mobil 1 has performed the best for me, no oil consumption in my Toyota compared to the other 2 oils and an increase in mpg. I switched all of my vehicle to Mobil 1 going forward.

A lot of the Mobil 1 hate comes from a youtuber who has flip-flopped his positions multiple times and originally thought TBN and high moly content = the best and didn't understand the difference between the different types of moly, his ego is too high for him to accept he is wrong and his fans fall right in line with him.
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Would that be Ford boss? Sounds like him
 
4WD said:
YT is starting to look like the news - “if it bleeds, it leads” …
I mostly find individuals doing PM’s handy … Opinions? Eh …
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It easily crosses over into evangelism and messiah complexes, as the audience is generally not SME's or reasonably educated in any aspect of what is being discussed so "some words" become "THE word". This is readily seen throughout history along with people getting fantastically rich off it, if the grift is good enough.

To paraphrase George Carlin: "think how stupid the average person is, and then consider that half the population is dumber than that".

Emotional preditation and manipulation has been a key plank in successful campaigns throughout history and it's very easy to flip the narrative with David/Goliath styled rhetoric. Can't go any further on that angle, but we see this on a micro scale with small fly-by-nighters who sell an idea (motor oil needs "stabilizing" because it's deficient due to the greed and conspiring against longevity pushed by "big oil") so successfully that they become the very thing they purport to rail against and have their name on a stadium.
 
OVERKILL said:
It easily crosses over into evangelism and messiah complexes, as the audience is generally not SME's or reasonably educated in any aspect of what is being discussed so "some words" become "THE word". This is readily seen throughout history along with people getting fantastically rich off it, if the grift is good enough.

To paraphrase George Carlin: "think how stupid the average person is, and then consider that half the population is dumber than that".

Emotional preditation and manipulation has been a key plank in successful campaigns throughout history and it's very easy to flip the narrative with David/Goliath styled rhetoric. Can't go any further on that angle, but we see this on a micro scale with small fly-by-nighters who sell an idea (motor oil needs "stabilizing" because it's deficient due to the greed and conspiring against longevity pushed by "big oil") so successfully that they become the very thing they purport to rail against and have their name on a stadium.
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Heard that - I have seen the light - gaslight that is …
 
Auto tech said:
Would that be Ford boss? Sounds like him
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I tried to tell him in one of his videos that Mobil 1 esp was a more “advanced” oil than whatever average neutered api oil he was preaching about, and he got defensive almost, saying that Mobil 1 makes the engine noisy and he sees increased wear or something. I don’t know what he was talking about but that was that.
 
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