Mobil 1 Undeserved Bad Reputation?

[OilUzer]

It's apparent that you're unhappy (and perhaps even angry) that Costco has decided to sell M1 at a price you think is too high. What's overpriced to you may be a good deal for others. However, just like other places, and just like XOM, sometimes the price is reduced. They can charge whatever makes sense to them and you can choose to shop elsewhere. I don't understand you anger or frustration, or whatever it is that's put a burr under your saddle.

Here's the latest price for Mobil 1 in my area, and probably many other areas as well:
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I wasn't angry at all. Far from it.
Do you consider a smiley face as being angry? Are you a psychologist?

It's a biz world and they can charge whatever they want ... It was interesting that they sell the regular M1 for $7.25/qt ($5.58/qt if on sale as you have posted) when I can buy a better M1 product (EP, Euro, ESP) much cheaper at Wal-Mart. I bought M1 Euro 0/5W-40 not too long ago at Wal-Mart for $4.70/qt on sale. Wal-Mart regular prices for better M1 products are also much cheaper than Costco regular prices!

Again, the companies can charge and will charge whatever they can get away with and I buy a lot of oil from Costco but never M1.

Even if Costco sold the regular M1 cheaper than Wal-Mart, I would NOT buy it because I am interested mainly in M1 EP 10W-30 and their Euro products and my local Costcos do NOT carry them ... So there is really no reason to be angry about.

I love Costco and I go there at least once or twice a month and should stop buying more LED flashlights. I think I might be approaching 25+ and the first question I am asked when I get home is if I bought more flashlights?

 

[picklyrickly1073]

Not that it’s anything meaningful but I’ve used M1 for two decades in all family cars and never an issue and when I wasn’t doing the oil changed myself abs bringing my oil to a shop I trust, he never once suggested that M1 is not quality (and he’s a very honest guy I’ve known for decades before he even went into business).

 

[kschachn]

FYI

The ESP is a low(er) SAPS product and not suitable or intended for extended OCIs. It may have other benefits or qualities like higher HTHS, lower Noack and better for DI and IVD concerns but extended drain intervals is not one of them.
At least that's the theory.

It has an extended drain approval. It would help if you understand what influences those intervals.

 

[buster]

This entire post is based on a false premise. Mobil 1's reputation is excellent. You also have to consider that with more people by far using Mobil 1 than other synthetics, you're going to hear more negativity...and half the time it's bs anyway.

 

[Shel_B]

I wasn't angry at all. Far from it.
Do you consider a smiley face as being angry? Are you a psychologist?

You replied before seeing my edit where I removed the reference to anger.

 

[MrBaumTastic]

All this talk about M1, omg.

I've honestly never heard of or seen a single person bad mouth M1. Amsoil? Yes, Royal Purple even. My brother uses M1 in his vehicles because "it's the best" and he's about as far away from an oil nerd as you can get. So if he knows it's great, can we stop arguing about it?

What's there to say bad about it? I get it, it's lonely at the top, being first can draw as much hate as being the worst but this isn't sports, it's oil. What percentage of automobile owners could even tell the difference, let alone care?

 

[OilUzer]

It has an extended drain approval. It would help if you understand what influences those intervals.

As I've said before, I don't do extended drain intervals! Whatever that means. I assume we should define it before getting too technical about it.

My OCIs are short (5K +/- Miles) and I've never purchased the ESP but am learning more about it.

Having said that, I've read MANY posts that it is not intended for "extended drain". I think even edyvw has said that but I will have to search to find them.

Since you claim to be an expert, instead of only pointing out flaws in other people's post (which is what you typically do), why don't you explain to us which approval (MB, C30, etc.) gives it the "extended drain" seal of approval and what it the definition of "extended drain"? And try to be helpful sometimes.

Thank you!

 

[kschachn]

As I've said before, I don't do extended intervals! Whatever that means. I assume we should define it before getting too technical about it.

My OCIs are short (5K +/- Miles) and I've never purchased the ESP but am learning more about it.

Having said that, I've read MANY posts that it is not intended for "extended drain". I think even edyvw has said that but I will have to search to find them.

Since you claim to be an expert, instead of only pointing out flaws in other people's post (which is what you typically do), why don't you explain to us which approval (MB, C30, etc.) gives it the "extend drain" seal of approval and what it the definition of "extended drain"? And try to be helpful sometimes.

Thank you!

What you do or don't do isn't what I was responding to. You said "The ESP is a low(er) SAPS product and not suitable or intended for extended OCIs".

The extended drain definition comes from the ACEA Sequence that underpins the approvals the oil has. ACEA C2-C7 are all extended drain oils. Manufacturers will build upon that.

 

[OilUzer]

What you do or don't do isn't what I was responding to. You said "The ESP is a low(er) SAPS product and not suitable or intended for extended OCIs".

The extended drain definition comes from the ACEA Sequence that underpins the approvals the oil has. ACEA C2-C7 are all extended drain oils. Manufacturers will build upon that.

iirc, this oil is C3.

What is the definition of "extended drain" in C3 or in general?

 

[Strumpan_]

It gets all the weird youtube headlines because it’s likely the most popular oil by far. Just like all the "THIS TOYOTA IS TERRIBLE!" headlines, which are just to grab clicks and mostly say nothing.

Except Toyota isn’t anything special when it comes to reliability. They rust out faster than most.

 

[Geekhead]

Except Toyota isn’t anything special when it comes to reliability. They rust out faster than most.

Rust is model specific too, My 1982 Celica, yes. My 1992 Camry, not so much. My 1997 Tercel, fine. 2015 Corolla, great so far.

 

[Strumpan_]

Rust is model specific too, My 1982 Celica, yes. My 1992 Camry, not so much. My 1997 Tercel, fine. 2015 Corolla, great so far.

Here more or less than older than 2010 is rusted to pieces

 

[Bjornviken]

Here more or less than older than 2010 is rusted to pieces

have a land cruiser from 05 with 500k +km, rust protection works, other wise you are correct. MB are even worse from that time period.

 

[ATex7239]

M1 knocked up my daughter and then stole my wallet. One star reviewer here. Will not buy again.

 

[ChrisD46]

It has an extended drain approval. It would help if you understand what influences those intervals.

Would it be safe to say M1 ESP is not a long drain oil to the extent M1 EP is ? I believe best case M1 ESP is 10K miles while M1 EP is 20K miles . *Noting owners manual max OCI limits for your specific vehicle are to be followed first .

 

[Nesterenko]

FYI

The ESP is a low(er) SAPS product and not suitable or intended for extended OCIs. It may have other benefits or qualities like higher HTHS, lower Noack and better for DI and IVD concerns but extended drain intervals is not one of them.
At least that's the theory.

As to comparing it with Kirkland when it comes to only OCIs, theoretically speaking, you would think that Kirkland may have a slight edge (fuller saps?) but who knows! It depends on so many other factors and variables hence a meaningless comparison ... That could be a whole new thread with new arguments!
You have to look at some VOAs, etc.

The ESP line has been on my radar recently and I do short OCIs (~5K +/- miles) so pretty much I don't care which syn oil I am using but this ivd thing has got me more curious about the ESP or this (C3, MB 229.51/52, C30) line of product.

Can it help with the GDI ivd? That's another theory and a loaded question!

I get what you're saying but given a choice between the two for me it's a no brainier. Also I never said ESP was a long drain oil but I would
trust it in my crankcase for a longer period of time than the Kirkland oil, but that's just me.
Cheers...

 

[Accent Abuser]

How many engines have you had in that Hyundai?

Still the original, it burns no oil and still makes 180+ psi compression, factory spec is 170psi so it's better than new after all the parts have broken in.

 

[Plumb Bob]

iirc, this oil is C3.

Also, it's VW 504/507, a long drain approval.

 

[OilUzer]

I get what you're saying but given a choice between the two for me it's a no brainier. Also I never said ESP was a long drain oil but I would
trust it in my crankcase for a longer period of time than the Kirkland oil, but that's just me.
Cheers...

I just went to the Mobil 1 website (Mobile 1 in South) to read a little about M1 ESP 5W-30 ...

And this is what it says:

• Reduce oil aging, allowing extended drain interval protection

So maybe it is intended for "extended drain interval" after all.
Definition of which still not clear to me.

I mean being on bitog, to me, extended interval is 10K+ miles. I buy "15K" or "20K" miles M1 but will never trust or push ANY oil to those limits.

I consider 7.5K miles with "Full Synthetic" the limit for me (if not GDI) and that is if I am being lazy or if it's raining to change the oil. And consider 5K +/- Miles a comfortable zone for me.

Like my signature says, the best oil is a shorter OCI.

So @kschachn might be right based on M1 website! However, I am still puzzled with so many posts some of whom I consider very knowledgeable saying this oil is not intended for extended drain intervals!

We still need to define "extended drain interval". I mean we talking GDI or MPFI, Turbo, etc. So many variables here and I assume we can't have a universal definition. Maybe I should ask Mobil 1 to elaborate.

 

[Plumb Bob]

Like my signature says, the best oil is a shorter OCI.

You should submit your findings to SAE and STLE.