Valvoline Restore and Protect Solubility Test

JAG

Joined
Oct 23, 2005
Messages
5,505
Location
Fredericksburg, VA
A while back I did volatility tests of Amsoil SS 10W-30 and Quaker State Ultimate Durability 10W-30. The oils ended up forming soft insoluble particles, as oils do when subjected to such temperatures for long enough. Today I decided to determine if VRP would resolubize the insolubles.

I first mixed those two insoluble-containing oils in a metal cup, poured off the excess oil, and kept as many of the insolubles as possible in the cup. The first picture shows that. Then I added fresh VRP 5W-20, and heated the oil for around 5 minutes above 200 F. I swirled the oil around while doing that.

I let the oil cool with the cup tilted far to pool the oil to one side to get the insolubles, if present, on one side. Then I slowly started tilting it to the other side to separate the oil from the insolubles as much as possible. The second picture shows that. Yes, there is a small fabric fiber present. In this test, VRP was not able to significantly resolubize the original insolubles. I didn’t expect them to based on all of my past experience but I still did hold out some hope. An oil that cleans an engine with deposits can do it by at least two mechanisms: solubizing particles and dislodging particles attached to engine surfaces, which get transported to and caught by the oil filter.

From all of the experiences I’ve seen on the internet, I do believe the evidence for VRP’s ability to clean is convincing, but we still have much to learn. In this test, it didn’t achieve what I hoped. Yes, perhaps it needed to be heated for hours, days, or weeks but I wasn’t up to doing that. I just wanted to do a quick test instead of just disposing of the oils from the prior volatility test. I will likely do other, different cleaning tests of VRP in the future. I did different VRP vs other oil cleaning tests in the past but the results were too inconclusive, though they were positive, for me to post about them.

FD614989-B1BA-49A1-B406-A5E65532A2D7.webp


9015BC43-FBB9-4F74-A458-31DBAA4A6F2E.webp
 
I highly doubt that fresh Amsoil SS or Quaker State Ultimate Durability would have been able to solubize those particles. In the past, I’ve tried rubbing alcohol and that wouldn’t do it either. I thought something more polar than motor oil, like rubbing alcohol might do it.

I should have said this before: today, before this test, I heated the old, abused oils for around 10 minutes to temperatures well above 200 F to see if simply the temperature would resolubize them. It didn’t.
 
I'm pretty sure VRP suggests 4 OCIs for cleaning. Assuming 3k miles per OCI and a set speed of 60 mph, you have 200 hours of cleaning, not 5 minutes. Or conduct your same test 2400 times to equal the recommended cleaning time. If insoluble and visible to the eye then the oil filter would catch it.
 
My theory is it's an abrasive compound that works under a combination of heat and pressure.
I found your post about that to be interesting and it was bolstered by being based on reading many relevant patents. That would be wild if it works by nanoabrasives.
 
I found your post about that to be interesting and it was bolstered by being based on reading many relevant patents. That would be wild if it works by nanoabrasives.
Time to get some BITOG members who have access to a high powered electron microscope to do some after hour testing or some lunch break testing. R&P and two other brands.🧐 🙂
 
  • Haha
Reactions: JAG
I don't think there's an official BITOG spokesperson, but if there is, it certainly isn't me.
FWIW Valvoline's marketing material describes Active Clean in R&P as a chemical:
"Valvoline’s Active Clean technology chemically dissolves deposits into microscopic pieces"

In addition to R&P, Valvoline uses Active Clean in their "All Engine Clean Intake Cleaner" and "All Engine Clean Fuel Rail Cleaner"

I don't know if this helps or hurts an abrasive nano-particle theory
 
FWIW Valvoline's marketing material describes Active Clean in R&P as a chemical:
"Valvoline’s Active Clean technology chemically dissolves deposits into microscopic pieces"

In addition to R&P, Valvoline uses Active Clean in their "All Engine Clean Intake Cleaner" and "All Engine Clean Fuel Rail Cleaner"

I don't know if this helps or hurts an abrasive nano-particle theory

Seeing the used oil analysis out there on the VR&P product, I don't see an issue with wear or wear metals, so certainly don't see it as an abrasive at all if thats what you're thinking.
 
Seeing the used oil analysis out there on the VR&P product, I don't see an issue with wear or wear metals, so certainly don't see it as an abrasive at all if thats what you're thinking.
I agree, abrasive nano-particle technology sounds too exotic. Since Valvoline describes the method of action as chemical and uses the same secret sauce in their fuel and intake cleaner, likely in very high concentrations comparatively, I doubt they're using an abrasive.
 
FWIW Valvoline's marketing material describes Active Clean in R&P as a chemical:
"Valvoline’s Active Clean technology chemically dissolves deposits into microscopic pieces"

In addition to R&P, Valvoline uses Active Clean in their "All Engine Clean Intake Cleaner" and "All Engine Clean Fuel Rail Cleaner"

I don't know if this helps or hurts an abrasive nano-particle theory
What if the dissolved deposits are then the microscopic pieces doing the abrasive cleaning?? *Tin foil hat mode engaged*
 
Would not Occam's Razor hypothesis point to it to be a novel chemical?

Then "simple garage logic" hypothesis also points it to a novel chemical?
 
Back
Top Bottom