As to all the discussion about MMO

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: ronrackley
I humbly submit that, though not done be a billionaire, these tests mean something:

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/posts/2181211/


I recall that thread Ron. MMO does lower TBN, thats been mentioned before. But for cleaning up an engine the last thing you want to do is an extended drain interval. The good news in that thread was MMO didn't increase wear numbers, it either lowered them or they remained pretty much the same, depends on whose team you're on. LOL Thanks for refreshing my memory.

 

[edhackett]

Relevant to this thread:

http://www.nbc.com/the-tonight-show/video/trevor-moores-winnovations-10-11-11/1361698

Ed

 

[Mystic]

Well, apparently MMO has been fooling people for a very long time. It came out sometime in the 1920s (The Marvel Oil Company came out with it I think) and the military used MMO in the fuel for World War II bombers crossing the Atlantic. It is still in use today and owned by Turtle Wax.

My guess is that it must have some usefulness because otherwise people would have given up on it a long time ago.

 

[panthermike]

Originally Posted By: edhackett
Relevant to this thread:

http://www.nbc.com/the-tonight-show/video/trevor-moores-winnovations-10-11-11/1361698

Ed


I wouldn't say relevant, but entertaining

I agree Mystic, MMO does have its uses. I primarily use it for cleaning. In my experience, it does slowly clean up deposits in an engine. I don't regularly use it in the fuel, but I do believe that it helps keep a fuel system clean(no data).

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: panthermike
Originally Posted By: edhackett
Relevant to this thread:

http://www.nbc.com/the-tonight-show/video/trevor-moores-winnovations-10-11-11/1361698

Ed


I wouldn't say relevant, but entertaining

I agree Mystic, MMO does have its uses. I primarily use it for cleaning. In my experience, it does slowly clean up deposits in an engine. I don't regularly use it in the fuel, but I do believe that it helps keep a fuel system clean(no data).


I wasn't going to comment because it would be fueling the fire, but I see you guys already did. So here goes. MMO has been successfully screwing people, and wrecking engines since the 1920's, but we already knew that.

 

[kon75]

Hello all. I have not posted alot since joining this forum but have enjoyed browsing and learning a lot since joining. I have to agree with demarpaint on the MMO topic. He is not promoting or endorsing this product but is trying to help some people with particular issues with their automobiles. I have been using MMO since 1992 when I needed some help with start up issues in the winter and also wanted to clean things up in the engine and had great success over the years with it. Thanks and keep up the good work.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: kon75
Hello all. I have not posted alot since joining this forum but have enjoyed browsing and learning a lot since joining. I have to agree with demarpaint on the MMO topic. He is not promoting or endorsing this product but is trying to help some people with particular issues with their automobiles. I have been using MMO since 1992 when I needed some help with start up issues in the winter and also wanted to clean things up in the engine and had great success over the years with it. Thanks and keep up the good work.


Well a belated welcome to Bitog, and thanks for your kind words. I see you're from NY so people are going to think this was staged, LOL! Now the big question is did MMO really work for you or is it something you imagined?

 

[kon75]

Thats funny and good sense of humor. It could be the "Butt Dyno". But in my case my 1990 toyota corolla with 160,000 miles cannot be lying. It has improved my mileage and cleaned the engine considerably - I noticed this everytime I changed the engine gasket. I had this car for over 6 years now. Drives better since the day I bought it. The only issue I have is fighting the rust off my car that I keep to a minimum.

 

[d00df00d]

Originally Posted By: ronrackley
I humbly submit that, though not done be a billionaire, these tests mean something:

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/posts/2181211/

It's a step in the right direction, for sure. There are issues with drawing conclusions about wear from oil analysis, and a lot of variables that haven't been controlled (or controlled for), but the overall format and spirit of the work are dead-on.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: kon75
Thats funny and good sense of humor. It could be the "Butt Dyno". But in my case my 1990 toyota corolla with 160,000 miles cannot be lying. It has improved my mileage and cleaned the engine considerably - I noticed this everytime I changed the engine gasket. I had this car for over 6 years now. Drives better since the day I bought it. The only issue I have is fighting the rust off my car that I keep to a minimum.


Glad it's working for you. I've seen the results popping valve covers too, next time post pictures if possible.

I have a good sense of humor, and thick skin.

Good luck with the rust battle, I'm losing it with my Aerostar, but I didn't really do anything to prevent it. Now its too late and I don't care.

 

[Trajan]

Originally Posted By: Mystic
Well, apparently MMO has been fooling people for a very long time. It came out sometime in the 1920s (The Marvel Oil Company came out with it I think) and the military used MMO in the fuel for World War II bombers crossing the Atlantic. It is still in use today and owned by Turtle Wax.

My guess is that it must have some usefulness because otherwise people would have given up on it a long time ago.


You mean for the reduction of lead in fuels? Still used for that.

The other guess. Probably along the lines of *it didn't hurt anything*

 

[edhackett]

Sorry, that was not meant to take a shot at MMO. I've used it in the past and will again for specific problems.

That was aimed at the value of testimonial vs data argument only.

Here is another example:

Read this:
http://www.clearrefining.com/Bonanza_Feedback20101206.PDF

Then read this:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/gdiesel-consumption-results.163036/

Ed

 

[demarpaint]

Hi Ed,

Would you list the specific problems you used MMO for, and your results good or bad? You say you'd use the product again, so it must have some value to you. Testimony from respected members has value to some of us. Until we get the facts and data section, testimony is about all we have for now.

Thanks.

 

[d00df00d]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Hi Ed,

Would you list the specific problems you used MMO for, and your results good or bad? You say you'd use the product again, so it must have some value to you. Testimony from respected members has value to some of us. Until we get the facts and data section, testimony is about all we have for now.

Thanks.

...Are you kidding?

Do the first two lines of his most recent post not show up on your screen or something?

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: d00df00d


...Are you kidding?

Do the first two lines of his most recent post not show up on your screen or something?


And your problem today is??????

He did say this didn't he?

Originally Posted By: edhackett
I've used it in the past and will again for specific problems.


Which is why I asked the question. I guess I had to clear it up for you. I hope you aren't looking to fight. Are you? Your tone is confrontational, hostile, and I don't appreciate it.

 

[d00df00d]

You know what? I think I completely misinterpreted your post. My apologies.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: d00df00d
You know what? I think I completely misinterpreted your post. My apologies.

 

[Vikas]

Originally Posted By: edhackett
Sorry, that was not meant to take a shot at MMO. I've used it in the past and will again for specific problems.

That was aimed at the value of testimonial vs data argument only.

Here is another example:

Read this:
http://www.clearrefining.com/Bonanza_Feedback20101206.PDF

Then read this:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/gdiesel-consumption-results.163036/

Ed


I completely lost you. Was the testimonial letter a fake one? But it had your name and signature at the bottom! The letter claimed 34% better fuel economy but the data showed only 0.30% lower consumption.

Statement from your letter:- "... increasing MPG by approximately 34%".

Statement from your study:- "The GDiesel showed an average of 0.30% lower consumption compared to the two controls. The average margin of error based on the replicate samples is 1.05%"


OOOPS; that was wrong Ed!!! Now I understand the value of reading well before commenting :-( My apology.

- Vikas

 

[edhackett]

Sure. I was first introduced to MMO back on the farm as a kid. Grampa had a propane powered White tractor. He had an inverse oiler installed for UCL. He also used it in the gas for the flat head engines of the time. It seemed to reduce valve sticking, in part due to it's lead scavenging properties.

I ran it in the fuel of my 1950 Studebaker due to the latter. I never had any valve sticking problems, but then again that was 1980's gas, so I don't really know if MMO helped at all.

I'm (slowly) restoring a 1941 John Deere. I tore the engine apart last fall. It has a bit of soft sludge throughout the engine from 20 years of sitting around. Most I will be able to clean out with a solvent wand. I will add 20% MMO to the SJ 10W-30 that I have on hand to run for the first couple of hours. It will then be switched to an HDEO.

MMO came out at a time of very variable fuel quality, leaded fuel, and non-detergent oils. It brought a lot to the table at that time. I don't feel that it offers me anything over the HDEO and top tier fuel that I use in every engine I own from 1917 to 2008, which at this point all have a known history.

It's not snake oil, by any means. If someone says that they tried it and it quieted a noisy lifter(a concrete result, not subject subject to a myriad of measurement errors in the real world), I'd believe them. If they said they added it to their gas and got some fantastic increase in fuel mileage, I'm not likely to believe them.

Ed

 

[edhackett]

Vikas, yes that is a real testimonial off of a company's web site. The company does not claim any mileage increase for their product, which makes it all the more interesting.

Ed