Anyone here take a multi-vitamin?
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You know the quality of your input by the quality of your output (if you know what I mean). I follow a low-carb diet most of the year for weight control and a daily multivitamin is part of the regimen. I view this diet as primarily a fresh vegetable and grilled meat diet so, in general, it is very healthy.
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Originally Posted By: andrewg
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Well balanced nutrition is not available at your local grocery. Food today is usually BIG food, meaning a huge corp grows and distributes it.
It will likely be covered in pesticides and bizarre chemistry and may be GMO as well in many cases. Imagining that you could ever be healthy by eating it is hard to believe, but some still do.
That said, everyone is different. What works for you might kill someone else, so no blanket statements when humans are involved.
For some of us, a supplement can yield an improvement in the way we feel and they are unlikely to cause any harm.
The first part of your post I'll have to disagree with. I think you have kinda used a big blanket there and also a heavy dose of opinion, conjecture, and alarmist science. Sure, I get the point of your post. I just think it's a bit of an exaggeration.
Besides that...if I wanted to avoid the foods you are so much against....my local grocery stores DO have organic, non-GMO, and whatever else you would think is healthy.
The vitamin thing? I think those that take heavy supplementation are a bit off in the head. Suddenly, with the internet, everybody is a nutritionist and an 'expert' on vitamins and supplements.....and anybody that disagrees with them MUST be bought and paid for by some corporation OR brainwashed.
Foolish stuff. Moderation, basic nutritional guidelines, exercise, and PERHAPS some mild vitamin supplementation is about as good as any of us can do. Genetics will pretty much be the overriding factor.
There is more truth in your post than any in this thread.
And now the mega kooks are out saying this recent study is part of a conspiracy by the pharmaceutical cabal to take away people's supplements, and they are all in on it with the GMO food crop producers and Monsanto etc., and that all ties in with the NWO plot to kill off and reduce the world population. Look at the comments section on any article profiling this new study.
Seems to me, if you over supplement, it possibly could cause derangement and brain damage...
Health really isn't rocket science; eat a well balanced diet, stay away from process surgery floury food, and exercise. DUH.
If you guys are through patting each other on the back maybe you'll take a moment to see why this alleged "science" DOES indeed have an agenda. Some of us look a little deeper...
http://www.lef.org/featured-articles/Fla...campaign=normal
Originally Posted By: andrewg
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Well balanced nutrition is not available at your local grocery. Food today is usually BIG food, meaning a huge corp grows and distributes it.
It will likely be covered in pesticides and bizarre chemistry and may be GMO as well in many cases. Imagining that you could ever be healthy by eating it is hard to believe, but some still do.
That said, everyone is different. What works for you might kill someone else, so no blanket statements when humans are involved.
For some of us, a supplement can yield an improvement in the way we feel and they are unlikely to cause any harm.
The first part of your post I'll have to disagree with. I think you have kinda used a big blanket there and also a heavy dose of opinion, conjecture, and alarmist science. Sure, I get the point of your post. I just think it's a bit of an exaggeration.
Besides that...if I wanted to avoid the foods you are so much against....my local grocery stores DO have organic, non-GMO, and whatever else you would think is healthy.
The vitamin thing? I think those that take heavy supplementation are a bit off in the head. Suddenly, with the internet, everybody is a nutritionist and an 'expert' on vitamins and supplements.....and anybody that disagrees with them MUST be bought and paid for by some corporation OR brainwashed.
Foolish stuff. Moderation, basic nutritional guidelines, exercise, and PERHAPS some mild vitamin supplementation is about as good as any of us can do. Genetics will pretty much be the overriding factor.
There is more truth in your post than any in this thread.
And now the mega kooks are out saying this recent study is part of a conspiracy by the pharmaceutical cabal to take away people's supplements, and they are all in on it with the GMO food crop producers and Monsanto etc., and that all ties in with the NWO plot to kill off and reduce the world population. Look at the comments section on any article profiling this new study.
Seems to me, if you over supplement, it possibly could cause derangement and brain damage...
Health really isn't rocket science; eat a well balanced diet, stay away from process surgery floury food, and exercise. DUH.
If you guys are through patting each other on the back maybe you'll take a moment to see why this alleged "science" DOES indeed have an agenda. Some of us look a little deeper...
http://www.lef.org/featured-articles/Fla...campaign=normal
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Originally Posted By: andrewg
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Well balanced nutrition is not available at your local grocery. Food today is usually BIG food, meaning a huge corp grows and distributes it.
It will likely be covered in pesticides and bizarre chemistry and may be GMO as well in many cases. Imagining that you could ever be healthy by eating it is hard to believe, but some still do.
That said, everyone is different. What works for you might kill someone else, so no blanket statements when humans are involved.
For some of us, a supplement can yield an improvement in the way we feel and they are unlikely to cause any harm.
The first part of your post I'll have to disagree with. I think you have kinda used a big blanket there and also a heavy dose of opinion, conjecture, and alarmist science. Sure, I get the point of your post. I just think it's a bit of an exaggeration.
Besides that...if I wanted to avoid the foods you are so much against....my local grocery stores DO have organic, non-GMO, and whatever else you would think is healthy.
The vitamin thing? I think those that take heavy supplementation are a bit off in the head. Suddenly, with the internet, everybody is a nutritionist and an 'expert' on vitamins and supplements.....and anybody that disagrees with them MUST be bought and paid for by some corporation OR brainwashed.
Foolish stuff. Moderation, basic nutritional guidelines, exercise, and PERHAPS some mild vitamin supplementation is about as good as any of us can do. Genetics will pretty much be the overriding factor.
There is more truth in your post than any in this thread.
And now the mega kooks are out saying this recent study is part of a conspiracy by the pharmaceutical cabal to take away people's supplements, and they are all in on it with the GMO food crop producers and Monsanto etc., and that all ties in with the NWO plot to kill off and reduce the world population. Look at the comments section on any article profiling this new study.
Seems to me, if you over supplement, it possibly could cause derangement and brain damage...
Health really isn't rocket science; eat a well balanced diet, stay away from process surgery floury food, and exercise. DUH.
If you guys are through patting each other on the back maybe you'll take a moment to see why this alleged "science" DOES indeed have an agenda. Some of us look a little deeper...
http://www.lef.org/featured-articles/Fla...campaign=normal
I never highlighted that supposed 'study' as the reasoning behind my conclusions about vitamin supplementation. I came at my own conclusions from researching on my own and through life experience.
In my opinion, anybody that is not got a degree in nutrition or is a qualified doctor, could be making some serious mistakes by swallowing over the counter supplements. I'm not talking the casual vitamin taker that downs a multi vitamin once in a while or a few vitamin C pills. What is concerning are those folks that think after reading a few dubious articles on the 'evils' of the food industry that everybody is out to get them. Typically these types go way overboard and commonly end up thinking that with a few internet searches they have discovered the 'truth' and begin self-prescribing higher doses of vitamins and other substances that they have very little knowledge of how they effect the body. Many of those that are qualified with DECADES of research in vitamins and nutrition have made repeated warnings about taking mega-doses of these supplements. Many can and DO cause harm to the human body. I personally have known at least four people in my life that are like this. It's comical except for the fact that I believe they are harming themselves. These folks spend HUNDREDS of dollars in the 'natural' vitamin isle at the store and/or at a 'health' food establishment. And talk about conspiracy? Any idea how much money these phony 'natural' and 'holistic' companies make selling this garbage? They peddle paranoia and fear with bogus publications and half-truths in order to further the business as well. All hogwash in my opinion. Worse than that it's dangerous.
Just my opinion.
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Originally Posted By: andrewg
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Well balanced nutrition is not available at your local grocery. Food today is usually BIG food, meaning a huge corp grows and distributes it.
It will likely be covered in pesticides and bizarre chemistry and may be GMO as well in many cases. Imagining that you could ever be healthy by eating it is hard to believe, but some still do.
That said, everyone is different. What works for you might kill someone else, so no blanket statements when humans are involved.
For some of us, a supplement can yield an improvement in the way we feel and they are unlikely to cause any harm.
The first part of your post I'll have to disagree with. I think you have kinda used a big blanket there and also a heavy dose of opinion, conjecture, and alarmist science. Sure, I get the point of your post. I just think it's a bit of an exaggeration.
Besides that...if I wanted to avoid the foods you are so much against....my local grocery stores DO have organic, non-GMO, and whatever else you would think is healthy.
The vitamin thing? I think those that take heavy supplementation are a bit off in the head. Suddenly, with the internet, everybody is a nutritionist and an 'expert' on vitamins and supplements.....and anybody that disagrees with them MUST be bought and paid for by some corporation OR brainwashed.
Foolish stuff. Moderation, basic nutritional guidelines, exercise, and PERHAPS some mild vitamin supplementation is about as good as any of us can do. Genetics will pretty much be the overriding factor.
There is more truth in your post than any in this thread.
And now the mega kooks are out saying this recent study is part of a conspiracy by the pharmaceutical cabal to take away people's supplements, and they are all in on it with the GMO food crop producers and Monsanto etc., and that all ties in with the NWO plot to kill off and reduce the world population. Look at the comments section on any article profiling this new study.
Seems to me, if you over supplement, it possibly could cause derangement and brain damage...
Health really isn't rocket science; eat a well balanced diet, stay away from process surgery floury food, and exercise. DUH.
If you guys are through patting each other on the back maybe you'll take a moment to see why this alleged "science" DOES indeed have an agenda. Some of us look a little deeper...
http://www.lef.org/featured-articles/Fla...campaign=normal
I never highlighted that supposed 'study' as the reasoning behind my conclusions about vitamin supplementation. I came at my own conclusions from researching on my own and through life experience.
In my opinion, anybody that is not got a degree in nutrition or is a qualified doctor, could be making some serious mistakes by swallowing over the counter supplements. I'm not talking the casual vitamin taker that downs a multi vitamin once in a while or a few vitamin C pills. What is concerning are those folks that think after reading a few dubious articles on the 'evils' of the food industry that everybody is out to get them. Typically these types go way overboard and commonly end up thinking that with a few internet searches they have discovered the 'truth' and begin self-prescribing higher doses of vitamins and other substances that they have very little knowledge of how they effect the body. Many of those that are qualified with DECADES of research in vitamins and nutrition have made repeated warnings about taking mega-doses of these supplements. Many can and DO cause harm to the human body. I personally have known at least four people in my life that are like this. It's comical except for the fact that I believe they are harming themselves. These folks spend HUNDREDS of dollars in the 'natural' vitamin isle at the store and/or at a 'health' food establishment. And talk about conspiracy? Any idea how much money these phony 'natural' and 'holistic' companies make selling this garbage? They peddle paranoia and fear with bogus publications and half-truths in order to further the business as well. All hogwash in my opinion. Worse than that it's dangerous.
Just my opinion.
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NP, we all still get to do what we want.
Note that your local store's very definition of the word 'organic' is subject to the scrutiny of an FDA that is a revolving door for food executives. So is the word 'GMO', they are actively fighting that battle now. So that grocery store may be misleading you a bit. The foxes do indeed guard this henhouse. This is not a 'conspiracy', it is the way our Government works these days. Simply follow the money. Are you really one of those that believes your Govt. protects you?
I also note with interest your expression of some faith in nutritional guidelines. Whose? Since every single person is completely unique you may miss your mark a bit following any guidelines not expressly designed for YOU. Not all of us do well on the infamous food pyramid!
You also mention exercise, yet there is nothing anywhere that links exercise to anything but a vacuous 'quality of life' statement. It may also harm certain individuals in many different ways, and is 'sold' to the masses in a similar fashion as supplements! Conspiracy?
Finally, since you have so simply labeled those 'conspiracy' folks, my favorite illustration is the NSA leakage. The actual scope was far in excess of what any of us could even imagine. After the last several conspiracies that have made headlines as crazy and are now being proven to be correct, have your opinions changed at all?
Or do you simply follow the guidelines given to you by mainstream sources?
Note that your local store's very definition of the word 'organic' is subject to the scrutiny of an FDA that is a revolving door for food executives. So is the word 'GMO', they are actively fighting that battle now. So that grocery store may be misleading you a bit. The foxes do indeed guard this henhouse. This is not a 'conspiracy', it is the way our Government works these days. Simply follow the money. Are you really one of those that believes your Govt. protects you?
I also note with interest your expression of some faith in nutritional guidelines. Whose? Since every single person is completely unique you may miss your mark a bit following any guidelines not expressly designed for YOU. Not all of us do well on the infamous food pyramid!
You also mention exercise, yet there is nothing anywhere that links exercise to anything but a vacuous 'quality of life' statement. It may also harm certain individuals in many different ways, and is 'sold' to the masses in a similar fashion as supplements! Conspiracy?
Finally, since you have so simply labeled those 'conspiracy' folks, my favorite illustration is the NSA leakage. The actual scope was far in excess of what any of us could even imagine. After the last several conspiracies that have made headlines as crazy and are now being proven to be correct, have your opinions changed at all?
Or do you simply follow the guidelines given to you by mainstream sources?
This conversation is interesting....and to a degree I enjoy discussing it. But, to go much further with it would involve loads of data,sources/opinions/quoted specialists. etc. etc. Makes for a rather detailed and sometimes boring information flood.....something that I really don't enjoy.
I think to address your post in a quick and timely fashion I'll keep it simple.
Yes, I know some of the controversy that is going on in the GMO debate. My main point is this....no firm conclusions have been made to resolve health concerns dealing with this food. Both sides have made assumptions...so I'll take the middle ground on this one.
Nutritional guidelines? I don't stick to any source or guideline. I don't cite any government entity as to exactly what I need to eat or derive my nutrition. What I will say is I have taken the most reputable and common sense sources including my own research to come to such conclusions. You could call it an information gathering and then a moderated application.
The exercise comment you've made note of really isn't accurate though. I've been involved in exercise my ENTIRE life....from childhood to my current age of 50. From the very beginnings of my sports/exercise/fitness activities I have always had information made available in reference to those with health issues that should take caution and see a doctor before participating. I really don't see how this relates toward the discussion about vitamin supplementation. Conspiracy? Of course not. Capitalism involved? Certainly.
The last paragraph you are somehow comparing the NSA activities as evidence that the government and major food makers are in collusion to feed the populace unhealthy food. Is that what you are saying?...you've lost me. Personally, and way off topic here, I have always believed the government can't be trusted and those activities the NSA participate in are no surprise to me. I just don't see the correlation you are making to the food industry as a very valid one.
Anyway......I have no problem with anybody doing whatever it is they want to do in regard to supplementation. I just don't partake in, nor do I support, an over indulgence in such activities....nor do I think there is any 'evil' conspiracy involved between the food and the government.
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I think to address your post in a quick and timely fashion I'll keep it simple.
Yes, I know some of the controversy that is going on in the GMO debate. My main point is this....no firm conclusions have been made to resolve health concerns dealing with this food. Both sides have made assumptions...so I'll take the middle ground on this one.
Nutritional guidelines? I don't stick to any source or guideline. I don't cite any government entity as to exactly what I need to eat or derive my nutrition. What I will say is I have taken the most reputable and common sense sources including my own research to come to such conclusions. You could call it an information gathering and then a moderated application.
The exercise comment you've made note of really isn't accurate though. I've been involved in exercise my ENTIRE life....from childhood to my current age of 50. From the very beginnings of my sports/exercise/fitness activities I have always had information made available in reference to those with health issues that should take caution and see a doctor before participating. I really don't see how this relates toward the discussion about vitamin supplementation. Conspiracy? Of course not. Capitalism involved? Certainly.
The last paragraph you are somehow comparing the NSA activities as evidence that the government and major food makers are in collusion to feed the populace unhealthy food. Is that what you are saying?...you've lost me. Personally, and way off topic here, I have always believed the government can't be trusted and those activities the NSA participate in are no surprise to me. I just don't see the correlation you are making to the food industry as a very valid one.
Anyway......I have no problem with anybody doing whatever it is they want to do in regard to supplementation. I just don't partake in, nor do I support, an over indulgence in such activities....nor do I think there is any 'evil' conspiracy involved between the food and the government.
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No one called it evil, but imagine if only insurance agents staffed their own regulatory board in the Govt. Perhaps they may consider decisions that favored their industry?
That's exactly what the FDA is, a regulatory board stuffed with the exact folks they regulate! It's hardly unbiased, at the least. And it truly does not promote the consumer's best interests at all.
Here's another tidbit about the Sugar industry. They also shamelessly manipulate our system to insure their product is widely available. Follow the money!
And the exercise anecdote is true. There is no scientifically acceptable evidence anywhere that exercise promotes long life or "health". All it does is increase SOME people's quality of life.
Good luck to you in your life. I choose differently, but that shouldn't automatically bring cries of conspiracy theorist down on me because I expressed my beliefs. Besides, I am not interested in minimal nutrition, I am interested in optimal nutrition for me and my family. And studies knocking vitamins are just the preamble to regulatory action to fight the menace that is imagined...
That's exactly what the FDA is, a regulatory board stuffed with the exact folks they regulate! It's hardly unbiased, at the least. And it truly does not promote the consumer's best interests at all.
Here's another tidbit about the Sugar industry. They also shamelessly manipulate our system to insure their product is widely available. Follow the money!
And the exercise anecdote is true. There is no scientifically acceptable evidence anywhere that exercise promotes long life or "health". All it does is increase SOME people's quality of life.
Good luck to you in your life. I choose differently, but that shouldn't automatically bring cries of conspiracy theorist down on me because I expressed my beliefs. Besides, I am not interested in minimal nutrition, I am interested in optimal nutrition for me and my family. And studies knocking vitamins are just the preamble to regulatory action to fight the menace that is imagined...
the more likely you are to take a vitamin, the more likely you are to use slick50 as well.
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the more likely you are to take a vitamin, the more likely you are to use slick50 as well.
Many would also say things about those who imagine that they can have optimal health by eating food grown in depleted soils with pesticides and growth regulators/stimulants/preservatives on it.
The hack generalizations say more about yourself than the people you are trying to defame...
the more likely you are to take a vitamin, the more likely you are to use slick50 as well.
Many would also say things about those who imagine that they can have optimal health by eating food grown in depleted soils with pesticides and growth regulators/stimulants/preservatives on it.
The hack generalizations say more about yourself than the people you are trying to defame...
not according to the scientists and fox news
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/12/17...s-studies-find/
WASHINGTON – Two major studies have found that multivitamins don't seem to protect aging men's brains or prevent further heart disease among people who have already had a heart attack.
The studies released Monday in the Annals of Internal Medicine are the latest to test if the popular supplements might go that extra step and concluded they don't.
"People over time and particularly people in the United States have been led to believe that vitamin and mineral supplements will make them healthier, and they're looking for a magic pill," journal deputy editor Dr. Cynthia Mulrow told Reuters.
Millions of Americans spend billions of dollars on vitamin combinations, presumably to boost their health and fill gaps in their diets. But while people who don't eat enough of certain nutrients may be urged to get them in pill form, the government doesn't recommend routine vitamin supplementation as a way to prevent chronic diseases.
"Evidence is sufficient to advise against routine supplementation," said a sharply worded editorial that accompanied Monday's findings in the journal Annals of Internal Medicine.
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http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/12/17...s-studies-find/
WASHINGTON – Two major studies have found that multivitamins don't seem to protect aging men's brains or prevent further heart disease among people who have already had a heart attack.
The studies released Monday in the Annals of Internal Medicine are the latest to test if the popular supplements might go that extra step and concluded they don't.
"People over time and particularly people in the United States have been led to believe that vitamin and mineral supplements will make them healthier, and they're looking for a magic pill," journal deputy editor Dr. Cynthia Mulrow told Reuters.
Millions of Americans spend billions of dollars on vitamin combinations, presumably to boost their health and fill gaps in their diets. But while people who don't eat enough of certain nutrients may be urged to get them in pill form, the government doesn't recommend routine vitamin supplementation as a way to prevent chronic diseases.
"Evidence is sufficient to advise against routine supplementation," said a sharply worded editorial that accompanied Monday's findings in the journal Annals of Internal Medicine.
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"And the exercise anecdote is true. There is no scientifically acceptable evidence anywhere that exercise promotes long life or "health". All it does is increase SOME people's quality of life."
Come on....you can't be serious about this statement? I could provide literally undress of scientific and medical studies to back up the health benefits of exercise. You really don't believe that the human body benefits in many, many ways from proper exercise? The 'some' comment should read...MOST. That is what the evidence supports. No...a legless person won't benefit from running....nor what a paraplegic....but that's silly. The VAST majority of folks involved with regular exercise derive many benefits.
I won't even waste my time pasting the hundreds of proven studies. In all due respect....you've already made up your mind and aren't open to serious debate when you have shown that you would just discount the evidence as some sort of lie or.....heck....I don't even know what you think after reading your post.
Come on....you can't be serious about this statement? I could provide literally undress of scientific and medical studies to back up the health benefits of exercise. You really don't believe that the human body benefits in many, many ways from proper exercise? The 'some' comment should read...MOST. That is what the evidence supports. No...a legless person won't benefit from running....nor what a paraplegic....but that's silly. The VAST majority of folks involved with regular exercise derive many benefits.
I won't even waste my time pasting the hundreds of proven studies. In all due respect....you've already made up your mind and aren't open to serious debate when you have shown that you would just discount the evidence as some sort of lie or.....heck....I don't even know what you think after reading your post.
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^^^^If you read the link I posted the study is bogus. Might want to take a look at least before you quote old news.
You still get to believe whatever you want to...
You still get to believe whatever you want to...
should I believe studies, or people who are selling vitamin pills with no evidence? might as well just eat better instead.
Tried one once. It was horse pill size. I bit and tried to chew it up. Very horrible. Then found it wasn't chewable.
Been taking gnc mega men's sport for <4 years now. Started back when I was losing weight to replace lost vitamins. Needless to say I went from 320 to 188 in a year, and the vitamins helped with exercises, faster recover time, and joint protection (no popping noises)
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