any solid proof mmo works in motors?

[cronk]

Originally Posted By: ziggy
Here's a question then...
Mobil 1 cleaned up my engine pretty good, 5 or 6 years ago. used it for ayear, then engine started leaking, as well as the rear main seal, which i had replaced. Its a 95 neon, had like 76,000 miles on it at the time.
Suppose i do use a quart of MMO...think it might cause engine leaks?


Neons have issues with the rear main seal walking out of the bore. I have seen several, the seal will work loose and be riding up against the flex plate/flywheel. It is not an oil or additive related issue. I don't know if that was the case with your car, but that seal is a known issue.

 

[c3po]

Originally Posted By: sprintman
So anybody no longer here cannot be mentioned? I seem to have missed that in the forum rules.


When you tell us that Terry Dyson says MMO is bad, it would be nice if we could ask him why, but since he no longer posts here how are we going to get the information, and I am not going to spend $30.00 a year to join his blog.

 

[zddp77]

Terry Dyson was on this site too MAKE MONEY thats all. He would try too covince you too do a uoa on your refrigerator if he could. It proves my point he wants $30.00 a year too join his blog ...what a joke. He said MMO was bad because he was getting a commission to push another oil additive that was sold on this site.

 

[badtlc]

Originally Posted By: zddp77
Terry Dyson was on this site too MAKE MONEY thats all. He would try too covince you too do a uoa on your refrigerator if he could. It proves my point he wants $30.00 a year too join his blog ...what a joke. He said MMO was bad because he was getting a commission to push another oil additive that was sold on this site.


That is quite the accusation considering Terry thought highly of a few oil additives out there. Not many competing companies are going to pay the same guy for the same endorsement....

Then again, rarely does common sense prevail on this board. Everything is agenda driven despite any factual or lack of factual evidence.

 

[Ursae_Majoris]

Originally Posted By: badtlc
Then again, rarely does common sense prevail on this board. Everything is agenda driven despite any factual or lack of factual evidence.

I can think of several posters like that. MMO is bad, but can not tell you why, it's classified.

 

[c3po]

This site needs to be about members posting there observations with using different oil additives as opposed to us listening to some guy say that a certain oil additive is bad becuase he has a hidden agenda to push some other oil additive.

It is a fact that Dyson Analysis is on the arx site, and I have heard that arx is on Terry's Site, that's just the way it is, but I look at it and see some sort of business deal when I would rather see members use oil additives that work for them.

When you see certain members bad mouth MMO it is probably becuase they have a hidden agenda.

My agenda is to report my observations, good or bad with whatever product that I use, and if that product is a sponsored product like Pennzoil, which makes Pennzoil Platinum, and I am using it now, I would not say anything negative about a sponsored product.

Schaeffer's, which makes Neutra seems to be a good product, I believe from everything I have read that it does the same thing as MMO, its just that this product is more expensive than MMO at this time.

 

[Panzerman]

Originally Posted By: zddp77
Terry Dyson was on this site too MAKE MONEY thats all. He would try too covince you too do a uoa on your refrigerator if he could. It proves my point he wants $30.00 a year too join his blog ...what a joke. He said MMO was bad because he was getting a commission to push another oil additive that was sold on this site.
I was glad to see him go, I dont even know why his name is still coming up, He was nothing but a paranoid crackpot. The point that he wouldnt even permit his paying customers post his findings, would be enough that I wouldnt want anything to do with him. MMO makes a good product that is still quite affordable, as far as I am concerned, if you have never tried it and are simply commenting on it, because of someone else's "opinion", that also has alternative motives being that he is dealing a competitive product, you should not be comenting on the product at all.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: badtlc
Everything is agenda driven despite any factual or lack of factual evidence.


Actually very true with one small exception. I would say a lot of what goes on is agenda driven, not everything. There are many people here posting their own personal experiences, with no agenda at all. I think a lot of what goes on here has deep roots going back to the days where the agenda driven people really pushed product, and many people are still sickened by it. Some topics are just volatile. JMO

This is a great site, and a lot of us feel quite comfortable here and enjoy sharing. I wish I had a product or service to sell, this would be a great site to sell it on. The agenda driven people know it too.

 

[prax]

Originally Posted By: zddp77
Terry Dyson was on this site too MAKE MONEY thats all. He would try too covince you too do a uoa on your refrigerator if he could. It proves my point he wants $30.00 a year too join his blog ...what a joke. He said MMO was bad because he was getting a commission to push another oil additive that was sold on this site.


He does push UOA too hard, but

Quote:
he was getting a commission to push another oil additive that was sold on this site


you have proof this? Getting a $1 or so for every bottle of Auto-RX is a stupid idea. Auto-RX isn't even that popular.

 

[Mystic]

I agree with you c3po. I think people at this website should honestly tell us about their experiences with various products-motor oil, additives, oil filters, etc. I don't like hidden agendas myself.

I have personal experience with some stuff-not a lot. This includes Tufoil, Auto-RX, MMO (mostly in the gas, some in the oil of older cars), Lubegard products, Technron, BG-MOA, Krex, Bars Leaks, Neutra, STP, Lucas fuel system cleaner, BG44K, and some others.

I can comment on my own experiences with various products, and I think I can do so honestly. I don't have a secret agenda other than to find the best products I can and I am not receiving any under the table payments. But I am not some sort of lubrication expert and I can't run a fleet of vehicles in testing some product.

I really like this website. I want to be able to find the right products to keep my car going. That is my agenda.

 

[sprintman]

zddp77 that's a libelous statement. You better have some facts to back up your accusation?

 

[greenaccord02]

Originally Posted By: sprintman
zddp77 that's a libelous statement. You better have some facts to back up your accusation?


Without offering my opinion on the validity of zddp77's statements, let me say this:

Something you may not be familiar with is our first amendment right. You can say what you want with very, very few exceptions. In this country we can't call the law to say, "He called me a mean name" like so many school children. You'll get laughed out of court. It is unbelievably hard to win a libel case here. You should see our tabloids. What he said is by no means libelous. If Terry disagrees with what he's said, let him use his still extant user ID on this site to speak for himself and rebut it.

There are always distributors of certain non-sponsor products on this board that like to issue thinly veiled threats of legal action. This used to irritate me, but now I find it hilarious. The only people who believe these threats are those who issue them, and they only believe them out of ignorance.

 

[sprintman]

As usual you use semantics to cover the fact what he said was total [censored]. Are you OK with that?

 

[greenaccord02]

I'm not going to get into an argument over what he said. I am fine with that.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: greenaccord02
Originally Posted By: sprintman
zddp77 that's a libelous statement. You better have some facts to back up your accusation?


Without offering my opinion on the validity of zddp77's statements, let me say this:

Something you may not be familiar with is our first amendment right. You can say what you want with very, very few exceptions. In this country we can't call the law to say, "He called me a mean name" like so many school children. You'll get laughed out of court. It is unbelievably hard to win a libel case here. You should see our tabloids. What he said is by no means libelous. If Terry disagrees with what he's said, let him use his still extant user ID on this site to speak for himself and rebut it.

There are always distributors of certain non-sponsor products on this board that like to issue thinly veiled threats of legal action. This used to irritate me, but now I find it hilarious. The only people who believe these threats are those who issue them, and they only believe them out of ignorance.


I agree and find those comments amusing myself. If Terry Dyson's customers have agreed not to share information which they paid for then fine, they should stick to that agreement. I seriously doubt other than getting banned from Terry's site not much else could or would happen, if someone did spill the beans.

Truth is the report wouldn't change my mind anyway. I have decades of my own proof, from real world use. I also used another product which fell short of the hype, and my expectations based on that hype.

In the end use what ever you like to clean up an engine, or stop an annoying lifter noise. If the product worked stick with it.

 

[badtlc]

Originally Posted By: c3po
This site needs to be about members posting there observations with using different oil additives as opposed to us listening to some guy say that a certain oil additive is bad becuase he has a hidden agenda to push some other oil additive.

It is a fact that Dyson Analysis is on the arx site, and I have heard that arx is on Terry's Site, that's just the way it is, but I look at it and see some sort of business deal when I would rather see members use oil additives that work for them.

When you see certain members bad mouth MMO it is probably becuase they have a hidden agenda.

My agenda is to report my observations, good or bad with whatever product that I use, and if that product is a sponsored product like Pennzoil, which makes Pennzoil Platinum, and I am using it now, I would not say anything negative about a sponsored product.

Schaeffer's, which makes Neutra seems to be a good product, I believe from everything I have read that it does the same thing as MMO, its just that this product is more expensive than MMO at this time.


It is quite obvious you don't know much about Terry or his business. He doesn't get any money for Auto-RX. He doesn't even push the product. If you ever paid attention to Terry you'd know the biggest product he pushes is Lube Control.

Why he would push another product over Auto-RX while "getting paid" by Auto-RX is just so ridiculous I think you can figure out where the holes in your reasoning lie.

On top of that, Terry doesn't push LC to everyone, only the people he felt/feels it will help.

Don't hate on someone just because you feel their prices are too high or you aren't privy to their information for free. Time to move on from the baseless name bashing.

 

[Cmarti]

Back on topic:

I have used MMO in OPE fuel and to clean up used vehicles i bought for my kids. I am using it now in a used repalcement engine. Let's just say it works as a cleaner for the sake of discussion.

Demarpaint and others why do you use it on a regular basis, after cleaning, over a lightweight synthetic motor oil? Are there bennefits other than cleaning?

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: Cmarti
Back on topic:

I have used MMO in OPE fuel and to clean up used vehicles i bought for my kids. I am using it now in a used repalcement engine. Let's just say it works as a cleaner for the sake of discussion.

Demarpaint and others why do you use it on a regular basis, after cleaning, over a lightweight synthetic motor oil? Are there bennefits other than cleaning?


I use it all the time as a fuel additive, and sometimes during the winter for easier cold starts. I will also on occasion add a pint and run it for the last 1000 miles of an OCI, or add it as top up oil to my Aerostar. I have several friends who use it in the oil all the time. Check the UOA section MMO users have reported better wear numbers, with a slight reduction in TBN.

I've seen first hand a 200,000 + mile 4 cyl Toyota Corolla that a buddy used it in his oil since day one. Spotless was an understatement, when we pulled his VC. I don't run it in the oil all the time, I did many years ago. I sometimes alternate with LM MOS2 in place of MMO now.

 

[Cmarti]

Thank you.

 

[demarpaint]

No problem! PM me if you like and we can chat about it some more if you like.