What Terry D says is proprietary, and only for members that pay for his services. People pay for his services and agree not to post his findings. At least that is what I was told.
any solid proof mmo works in motors?
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Originally Posted By: ziggy
Gary thank you! that is awesome!
gary, would you persoanlly, use a quart of MMO in place of oil in a car? Think in doing so, it owuld clean an egine up, including varnish stains so well?
No, I would not. It's an option for someone with a problem to cure. I don't like adding that type of agent to "adapt" an oil you run full time (however short THAT OCI may be) to prevent something in the absence of a problem. Oils are just fine and keep getting better.
I'd rather use Auto-Rx every 60k or so just to assure that the ring packs are cleared.
I don't think I'll have much need to clean up any engine under my care due to deposits. Therefore I'll have little use for any solvent based agents on any perpetual basis.
You need to work out which product (out of many) that produces the most effective results based on your habits and needs.
My experience may be unique. Keep in mind that I cannot say that throughout my lifetime. Oils have vastly improved over the past decade and we typically run into these issues at a mile/time span that is beyond the typical ownership cycle. That is, the car either wasn't in our possession its whole life, or that ownership has been over 5-7 years. I'm one of the few people I know (wife and myself) who have kept their front line vehicle in use as a primary DD beyond being paid for. Most put a vehicle into semi-retirement at that point and the lack of usage and frequency of maintenance ..and attentiveness to maintenance tends to retreat.
Gary thank you! that is awesome!
gary, would you persoanlly, use a quart of MMO in place of oil in a car? Think in doing so, it owuld clean an egine up, including varnish stains so well?
No, I would not. It's an option for someone with a problem to cure. I don't like adding that type of agent to "adapt" an oil you run full time (however short THAT OCI may be) to prevent something in the absence of a problem. Oils are just fine and keep getting better.
I'd rather use Auto-Rx every 60k or so just to assure that the ring packs are cleared.
I don't think I'll have much need to clean up any engine under my care due to deposits. Therefore I'll have little use for any solvent based agents on any perpetual basis.
You need to work out which product (out of many) that produces the most effective results based on your habits and needs.
My experience may be unique. Keep in mind that I cannot say that throughout my lifetime. Oils have vastly improved over the past decade and we typically run into these issues at a mile/time span that is beyond the typical ownership cycle. That is, the car either wasn't in our possession its whole life, or that ownership has been over 5-7 years. I'm one of the few people I know (wife and myself) who have kept their front line vehicle in use as a primary DD beyond being paid for. Most put a vehicle into semi-retirement at that point and the lack of usage and frequency of maintenance ..and attentiveness to maintenance tends to retreat.
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
What Terry D says is proprietary, and only for members that pay for his services. People pay for his services and agree not to post his findings. At least that is what I was told.
Which is idiotic IMO. If I pay for his services, then he works for me, and I do with the findings what I want. I paid for them after all.
If he wants me to sign a NDA, them he has to pay me.
What Terry D says is proprietary, and only for members that pay for his services. People pay for his services and agree not to post his findings. At least that is what I was told.
Which is idiotic IMO. If I pay for his services, then he works for me, and I do with the findings what I want. I paid for them after all.
If he wants me to sign a NDA, them he has to pay me.
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Just repeating what I heard and read. If I paid for information I'd do as I pleased with it. If I couldn't then I'd pass.
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Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
What Terry D says is proprietary, and only for members that pay for his services. People pay for his services and agree not to post his findings. At least that is what I was told.
Which is idiotic IMO. If I pay for his services, then he works for me, and I do with the findings what I want. I paid for them after all.
If he wants me to sign a NDA, them he has to pay me.
Well, print up some manuscripts or copy a bunch of DVD's and hand them out.
His work is effectively copyrighted. That's the conditions of using his service.
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
What Terry D says is proprietary, and only for members that pay for his services. People pay for his services and agree not to post his findings. At least that is what I was told.
Which is idiotic IMO. If I pay for his services, then he works for me, and I do with the findings what I want. I paid for them after all.
If he wants me to sign a NDA, them he has to pay me.
Well, print up some manuscripts or copy a bunch of DVD's and hand them out.
His work is effectively copyrighted. That's the conditions of using his service.
Exactly. Some of the numpty posts here lately are embarassing.
I had Terry do a VOA on AutoRX. After what he found, I'd never used it in any of the cars I own.
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My truck told me that the MMO makes it feel clean inside. It also told me that Lucas fuel injector cleaner makes it nauseated.
That's funny Terry speaks highly of Auto-Rx. Contact him.
He wouldn't be allowed to talk about it, the info is proprietary.
Fallacy! Read his older oposts here.
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
What Terry D says is proprietary, and only for members that pay for his services. People pay for his services and agree not to post his findings. At least that is what I was told.
Which is idiotic IMO. If I pay for his services, then he works for me, and I do with the findings what I want. I paid for them after all.
If he wants me to sign a NDA, them he has to pay me.
Well, print up some manuscripts or copy a bunch of DVD's and hand them out.
His work is effectively copyrighted. That's the conditions of using his service.
I've already done that. Can't even begin to list the number of games/movies/whatever I've copied over the years and gave away.
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
What Terry D says is proprietary, and only for members that pay for his services. People pay for his services and agree not to post his findings. At least that is what I was told.
Which is idiotic IMO. If I pay for his services, then he works for me, and I do with the findings what I want. I paid for them after all.
If he wants me to sign a NDA, them he has to pay me.
Well, print up some manuscripts or copy a bunch of DVD's and hand them out.
His work is effectively copyrighted. That's the conditions of using his service.
I've already done that. Can't even begin to list the number of games/movies/whatever I've copied over the years and gave away.
Since the beginning of BITOG there have been many members who have tried to shoot MMO down for various reasons, but nobody has been successful at squashing this product. When I 1st came to this board I called MMO Old School, but when I tried it I realized the product worked.
I 1st started using it in the fuel and I noticed my carburetor ran alot better, I then started using it in my oil when a member here did not see results with auto-rx. I cannot say that auto-rx did not work for me since I did go through 22 oil filters in 24,000 miles, so it was releasing junk to my oil filter, the only time I noticed a difference with auto-rx was when I changed an oil filter that was saturated. With MMO I noticed it was in my engine as soon as I drove out of the driveway, I also did not have anymore oil filter problems, my thoughts are that MMO dissolved the contaniments better than auto-rx and therefor I was not clogging up my oil filters. I never really noticed a change in color of my oil with auto-rx, but I did with MMO.
Auto-Rx did not clean up my valvetrain, there really was not much to clean, I could scrape the cylinder head with a screwdriver and get some residue, after having MMO in my oil for 7000 miles my valvetrain is totaly cleaned up and I cannot scrape anything off with a screwdriver, I can even read the serial numbers inside the cylinder heads.
There are too many positive testimonials with using MMO in the engine from members that we really cannot say that the product does not work. I notice that my engine starts right up from having MMO in my fuel and oil, I have better throttle response and I am getting better gas mileage. I believe this product is keeping my engine clean, and therefor my oil can easily travel to the top of the engine and back down to the oil pan with no restrictions. I also noticed that on my 1st and 2nd OCI's with MMO that my oil got very dark, and on this 3rd OCI the oil is staying clean.
I also notice that with MMO in my fuel, that my carburetor is staying clean and when I have pulled the spark plugs to check them, they are also free of deposits.
If you are getting great results with auto-rx, then stick with it if that is what works for you, I just found MMO to work better and I always use the product that works best for me.
A Clean Engine is a Healthy Engine, so just pick the oil additive that is going to keep your engine clean, and some members may even find that oil's like Pennzoil Platinum and Pennzoil Ultra do a good job cleaning an engine and also do a good job keeping an engine clean.
I used Mobil 1 from 50,000 miles up to 200,000 miles and I then used Amsoil between 200,000 miles up to 343,000 miles and my engine was still dirty, looking back, since my valvetrain was not that dirty I think I just may have had some junk in my lifters, maybe the new oil's like PP and PU are better at keeping an engine clean, but from my past experience I am not taking any chances, so I will continue to use MMO in my oil.
I 1st started using it in the fuel and I noticed my carburetor ran alot better, I then started using it in my oil when a member here did not see results with auto-rx. I cannot say that auto-rx did not work for me since I did go through 22 oil filters in 24,000 miles, so it was releasing junk to my oil filter, the only time I noticed a difference with auto-rx was when I changed an oil filter that was saturated. With MMO I noticed it was in my engine as soon as I drove out of the driveway, I also did not have anymore oil filter problems, my thoughts are that MMO dissolved the contaniments better than auto-rx and therefor I was not clogging up my oil filters. I never really noticed a change in color of my oil with auto-rx, but I did with MMO.
Auto-Rx did not clean up my valvetrain, there really was not much to clean, I could scrape the cylinder head with a screwdriver and get some residue, after having MMO in my oil for 7000 miles my valvetrain is totaly cleaned up and I cannot scrape anything off with a screwdriver, I can even read the serial numbers inside the cylinder heads.
There are too many positive testimonials with using MMO in the engine from members that we really cannot say that the product does not work. I notice that my engine starts right up from having MMO in my fuel and oil, I have better throttle response and I am getting better gas mileage. I believe this product is keeping my engine clean, and therefor my oil can easily travel to the top of the engine and back down to the oil pan with no restrictions. I also noticed that on my 1st and 2nd OCI's with MMO that my oil got very dark, and on this 3rd OCI the oil is staying clean.
I also notice that with MMO in my fuel, that my carburetor is staying clean and when I have pulled the spark plugs to check them, they are also free of deposits.
If you are getting great results with auto-rx, then stick with it if that is what works for you, I just found MMO to work better and I always use the product that works best for me.
A Clean Engine is a Healthy Engine, so just pick the oil additive that is going to keep your engine clean, and some members may even find that oil's like Pennzoil Platinum and Pennzoil Ultra do a good job cleaning an engine and also do a good job keeping an engine clean.
I used Mobil 1 from 50,000 miles up to 200,000 miles and I then used Amsoil between 200,000 miles up to 343,000 miles and my engine was still dirty, looking back, since my valvetrain was not that dirty I think I just may have had some junk in my lifters, maybe the new oil's like PP and PU are better at keeping an engine clean, but from my past experience I am not taking any chances, so I will continue to use MMO in my oil.
Here's a question then...
Mobil 1 cleaned up my engine pretty good, 5 or 6 years ago. used it for ayear, then engine started leaking, as well as the rear main seal, which i had replaced. Its a 95 neon, had like 76,000 miles on it at the time.
Suppose i do use a quart of MMO...think it might cause engine leaks?
Mobil 1 cleaned up my engine pretty good, 5 or 6 years ago. used it for ayear, then engine started leaking, as well as the rear main seal, which i had replaced. Its a 95 neon, had like 76,000 miles on it at the time.
Suppose i do use a quart of MMO...think it might cause engine leaks?
Anytime I have had an engine start leaking it turned out that I had a clogged:
1) PCV Valve
2) Breather
3) Valve Cover Baffle
4) PCV Hose
If your valve cover baffle is clogged up you can usually spray some carb cleaner or use some other type of solvent.
I remember when I put some Edelbrock Valve Covers on my small block chevy and they came with baffles that Had these pop rivets and all I had to do was hammer them on the valve covers, I started having oil leaks, so I took the valve covers off and I noticed that I had very little clearance between the baffles and the PCV Valve and the same thing on the other side with the breather, so I took the baffles off and there was no more oil leaks.
I know you can't remove the baffles on newer cars, but it is important to make sure they are clean and free of junk so the vapors can escape, if these vapros are trapped inside your engine then you will buildup to much pressure which will cause leaks.
I would not blame Mobil 1 for your oil leak, you need to find out what was causing your oil leak, and the 1st place to look is at your PCV System.
1) PCV Valve
2) Breather
3) Valve Cover Baffle
4) PCV Hose
If your valve cover baffle is clogged up you can usually spray some carb cleaner or use some other type of solvent.
I remember when I put some Edelbrock Valve Covers on my small block chevy and they came with baffles that Had these pop rivets and all I had to do was hammer them on the valve covers, I started having oil leaks, so I took the valve covers off and I noticed that I had very little clearance between the baffles and the PCV Valve and the same thing on the other side with the breather, so I took the baffles off and there was no more oil leaks.
I know you can't remove the baffles on newer cars, but it is important to make sure they are clean and free of junk so the vapors can escape, if these vapros are trapped inside your engine then you will buildup to much pressure which will cause leaks.
I would not blame Mobil 1 for your oil leak, you need to find out what was causing your oil leak, and the 1st place to look is at your PCV System.
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
He wouldn't be allowed to talk about it, the info is proprietary.
And you have to take at my word, just like we have to trust posters bashing MMO with nothing but their word to back it up. If you believe them, I have oceanfront property in Arizona to sell you. Dirt cheap too.
I hope you all can see how ridiculous both my ruse about the AutoRX and their statements about the MMO are.
He wouldn't be allowed to talk about it, the info is proprietary.
And you have to take at my word, just like we have to trust posters bashing MMO with nothing but their word to back it up. If you believe them, I have oceanfront property in Arizona to sell you. Dirt cheap too.
I hope you all can see how ridiculous both my ruse about the AutoRX and their statements about the MMO are.
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Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
His work is effectively copyrighted. That's the conditions of using his service.
Bovine brown clumps (from now on abbreviated as BBC
). I can quote any copyrighted work, if I cite my source and it does not constitute more 20% of my written work (I am little rusty on the exact percentage, but that's what I seem to remember from my college days)
His work is effectively copyrighted. That's the conditions of using his service.
Bovine brown clumps (from now on abbreviated as BBC
). I can quote any copyrighted work, if I cite my source and it does not constitute more 20% of my written work (I am little rusty on the exact percentage, but that's what I seem to remember from my college days)
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This was Terry Dyson's last post on BITOG, I did cut some stuff out becuase he did mention some names, it seems Terry does not want anything to do with BITOG, and since that is the case then why are some members bringing his name up.
So anybody no longer here cannot be mentioned? I seem to have missed that in the forum rules.
Originally Posted By: Ursae_Majoris
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
He wouldn't be allowed to talk about it, the info is proprietary.
And you have to take at my word, just like we have to trust posters bashing MMO with nothing but their word to back it up. If you believe them, I have oceanfront property in Arizona to sell you. Dirt cheap too.
I hope you all can see how ridiculous both my ruse about the AutoRX and their statements about the MMO are.
I have all the proof I need to know MMO works, and better than its competition. I've been using MMO since the early 70's, in fact longer than some of the so called "bashers" have been living. I tried the competition. I have no agenda, although I do wish I had a blog I could make some money from. This so called proprietary info really doesn't matter much to me.
In a nut shell people should use what ever product they like, and if it works up to their expectations, more power to them. Sometimes these threads become like talking about a favorite sports team, or worse, politics.
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
He wouldn't be allowed to talk about it, the info is proprietary.
And you have to take at my word, just like we have to trust posters bashing MMO with nothing but their word to back it up. If you believe them, I have oceanfront property in Arizona to sell you. Dirt cheap too.
I hope you all can see how ridiculous both my ruse about the AutoRX and their statements about the MMO are.
I have all the proof I need to know MMO works, and better than its competition. I've been using MMO since the early 70's, in fact longer than some of the so called "bashers" have been living. I tried the competition. I have no agenda, although I do wish I had a blog I could make some money from. This so called proprietary info really doesn't matter much to me.
In a nut shell people should use what ever product they like, and if it works up to their expectations, more power to them. Sometimes these threads become like talking about a favorite sports team, or worse, politics.
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