Amsoil signature series? What’s the scoop and hype?

[RagnarokCamaro]

You sound like an AMSOIL marketer. That’s what they will tell you, but then ask why does their OE line have an actual API SP cert. Why did they spend MILLIONS on getting the OE line certified? They will tell you it’s for the bulk oil market. Yeah right. Never heard of a lube shop buying AMSOIL. They are shady. Period.

I don't go around marketing for Amsoil. I'm only sharing my 9+ years of experience using their products. They have proven their worth through my usage thus far, and I will continue to use it. My previous Silverado 5.3 ran the entire 24k miles I owned it on Amsoil SS 0W-20. No failures, lifters didn't die prematurely, nothing out of the ordinary happened. The SS 0W-40 in the hellcat even quited the lifters a bit compared to PUP

My big blocks costs more than a lot of people's cars, and the engine runs on (and lives on, surprisingly) Amsoil Dominator. If Amsoil is shady due to not buying the API certification, then so is HPL.

Advance Auto Parts in my area have started selling Amsoil products, and some independent auto shops carry it as well.

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

The SDSs show only 5-10% PAO for their 0W-X and 5W-X PCMOs.

Hey Tom. Can we play devil’s advocate on a completely brand-agnostic topic here to see if we can turn this into a win (at least in knowledge gain)?

If one is looking at “true” synthetics per busdriver (if that’s even a relevant title for oils these days), if you were blending this with Group IV & Vs plus additives in the context of an API or Euro 5w30 oil, are there instances where the 5-10% PAO oil, with GTL or other base oils would have equivalent or better performance than the “100% synthetic”?

I’m pretty sure we all know the 5-10% PAO oil would obviously win on price, but I’m wondering about which oil would need higher additive levels, or show potential downsides in long-term operation.

Not saying on any level that Amsoil is bad; just trying to gather some info (other than pure cost avoidance) why a blender would move to lower Group IV/V content. If you feel like replying and there’s a simpler way to respond than to all these ?s, please do. I yield to your massive knowledge advantage

 

[Pablo]

That’s what they will tell you, but then ask why does their OE line have an actual API SP cert. Why did they spend MILLIONS on getting the OE line certified? They will tell you it’s for the bulk oil market. Yeah right. Never heard of a lube shop buying AMSOIL. They are shady. Period.

Actually Amsoil has multiple lines with API mark, and plenty of independent shops use Amsoil. Amsoil, HPL, Redline and others purposely choose not to have their oils certified. You choose to reason this must because the oil can't meet such tests/spec. Therefore since you make this accusation, how about some proof?

As for "shady" that crosses a line. "Shady" implies law breaking and other bad behaviors. Unless some proof is provided, you are no better than what you accuse Amsoil of.

Key word being trust. Just about every bottle on Walmart’s shelf has been independently tested to back their claims and ensure manufacturer requirements are met. No so with AMSOIL SS.

What? Every bottle? Interesting!

 

[cvd537]

Actually Amsoil has multiple lines with API mark, and plenty of independent shops use Amsoil. Amsoil, HPL, Redline and others purposely choose not to have their oils certified. You choose to reason this must because the oil can't meet such tests/spec. Therefore since you make this accusation, how about some proof?

As for "shady" that crosses a line. "Shady" implies law breaking and other bad behaviors. Unless some proof is provided, you are no better than what you accuse Amsoil of.


What? Every bottle? Interesting!

I am not reasoning. As of a couple years ago they would openly tell you their phosphorus levels were too high to meet API SP on their signature series.

 

[OVERKILL]

Hey Tom. Can we play devil’s advocate on a completely brand-agnostic topic here to see if we can turn this into a win (at least in knowledge gain)?

If one is looking at “true” synthetics per busdriver (if that’s even a relevant title for oils these days), if you were blending this with Group IV & Vs plus additives in the context of an API or Euro 5w30 oil, are there instances where the 5-10% PAO oil, with GTL or other base oils would have equivalent or better performance than the “100% synthetic”?

I’m pretty sure we all know the 5-10% PAO oil would obviously win on price, but I’m wondering about which oil would need higher additive levels, or show potential downsides in long-term operation.

Not saying on any level that Amsoil is bad; just trying to gather some info (other than pure cost avoidance) why a blender would move to lower Group IV/V content. If you feel like replying and there’s a simpler way to respond than to all these ?s, please do. I yield to your massive knowledge advantage

I'm sure it's a very reasonable cost-vs-performance decision, with better and better Group III's available. I'm got no idea what the margin is on the HPL products, but I suspect the Super Car lineup (PAO/AN/Ester) is very expensive to blend at this point.

 

[Pablo]

I am not reasoning. As of a couple years ago they would openly tell you their phosphorus levels were too high to meet API SP on their signature series.

That sounds super shady

 

[OVERKILL]

I am not reasoning. As of a couple years ago they would openly tell you their phosphorus levels were too high to meet API SP on their signature series.

SP? The limit on phosphorous has been in place since API SM for the grades below xW-40.

 

[TiGeo]

I smell....troll account..

 

[RagnarokCamaro]

This thread should be renamed "Amsoil is the boogey man"

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

This thread should be renamed "Amsoil is the boogey man"

I thought the internet was supposed to be policing misinformation for us these days?

 

[M56959]

Whatever value this had as a topic was exhausted a decade ago.

Mercy lock