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Just a simple question after talking to these engineers.
Cheers!
SoftPoint
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quote:i have seen you do this before pablo, to tranish another brand to make yours seem not as bad is not good buisness. if schaffers or bob want to use a timken then they can go ahead. this post isnt about bob or schaffers though so it has no relevance. i could probably look past amsoil weird marketing and stuff and use their oil if it were not for the fact that its expensive. dont get me wrong i have money for it, but lets say amsoil is $5 a quart, thats 5 times more expensive as some good dino oil, and i dont believe amsoil would lower my wear numbers by a factor of 5. if it did, then its price to performance ratio would be good enough to justify purchase. if amsoil and the other synthetics were priced appropriatly for what they give (the price to performance ratio matched say castrol gtx for instance) then i nor anyone else would have any bad ideas about it, and we would all use amsoil, even if it were $10 a quart, as long as it was as good or better at the crucial ratio, there would be no worries
b) Schaefer and Bob use Timken test. You may want to speak to him about relevance to automobile lubes.
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but it doesnt beat that crucial ratio for me, i dont think any synthetic does.
quote:AL As a dealer have you been to any of the training classes?? I've learned more about lubrication in general than most of the tech departments of any other oil company you call on the phone. Also the Amsoil Tech department covers all kinds of questions. What exactly was the question/concern that you had that didn't get answered? There are several great tech reps at Amsoil that are very knowledgable. As far as AJ, well I just saw him about 2 weeks ago, without his enthusiasm, you would probably not see the synthetic market what it is today. Yes I do credit Mobil 1 with alot of the Major Marketing, but you have to credit Amsoil with Spear Heading most of the innovation in the synthetic marketplace. I would guess that AJ is in his 80's. I truley feel that AJ is an inspiration to anyone who wants to succeed, he had an idea, brought it to market and expanded that market dramatically. I feel that this is just the beginning for whats to come. And I am proud to be associated with the company.
Originally posted by Al: Well Amsoil-is in business to make money and the way they market and promote their products is a means to that end. I have been a dealer in the past for Amsoil and grew sick and tired of Al Amatuzio (presidend) and the endless promoting of those highly sucessful Amsoil salesmen who made the cover of the monthly magazine. I also felt that their technical department is or was always totally forthright in questions that I had.
quote:What exactly are you talking about?? Price to performance? I just can't imagine buy $1.50 /quart oil and changing it every 3,000 miles. Even if I only go 10,000 miles on a change I'm still breaking even. Plus I get all the other benifits for free. Like cooler operation, better cold weather protection, better fuel economy, lower oil consumption, reduced emmissions, and so forth. I'm not going to bash any other company for the way they market their products.
Originally posted by cryptokid: if amsoil and the other synthetics were priced appropriatly for what they give (the price to performance ratio matched say castrol gtx for instance) then i nor anyone else would have any bad ideas about it, and we would all use amsoil, even if it were $10 a quart, as long as it was as good or better at the crucial ratio, there would be no worries
quote:I see ask those same engineers what their NOAK numbers are(they don't print them for a reason)Or ask them about their HT/HS Vis, they dont' print those either. OH also call the engineer for Chevron and ask them exactly what ISO/Syn means?? If that doesn't sound like a marketing term. Is it syn, is it quasa syn?? What is it. It's freaken Group II based oil, nothing more. No syn what so ever, why the heck is it in there??? Maybe because it sounds cool, and they want to associate their product with quality(which it is) so they through the SYN to it. I'm not busting on those companies. As I"m sure they make a great product. As a matter of fact I have some Delo 400 that I ran as break-in oil in my bike. It was good for 1500 miles.
Originally posted by SoftPoint: Just heard from the lubrication engineers at Chevron/Texaco that the four ball wear test, the phalynx wear test and the timken test that Amsoil claims their so go at, have nothing to do with gaoline engines. Just a simple question after talking to these engineers. Cheers! SoftPoint
quote:Any you work in the Aerospace industry? Hmmm I hope you don't work for an airline I fly on. Hey go get me that $2 bolt, it'll work as good as the $10 one
Originally posted by SoftPoint: Why would you want to pay extra money for this stuff? Any SL rated oil will give excellent protection. Get a good SL rated oil and a SuperTech oil filter, and change it every 3,000 miles and you wont need AMSOIL
quote:I don't see Pablo trying to trash (tranish?) another brand. I think all he was trying to do is point out how Softpoint's "argument" is baseless.
i have seen you do this before pablo, to tranish another brand to make yours seem not as bad is not good buisness.
quote:I don't necessarily feel that is totally true. While the test is not a true way to show how an oil will perform in your engine, what you are showing is that the Chemistry for unused oil will protect better 4 ball bearing rotating in a bath of oil. The test is a valid one for that purpose, now after the oil is run in your engine for a few thousand miles would it be the same?? I have no idea, but I would rather have one that starts out good wouldn't you?? Anyone remember the mobil 1 commercial with them putting the oil in the freezer then the fry pan??? Is that a valid test? Did that make Mobil 1 look like snake oil? I don't think so. Take the tests for what they are, just information to get you interested in the product. If the product works for you, and you become a loyal customer, then be happy. That is all that I try to do. I'm not looking for 1 time buy customers. I build relationships, solve problems, and make friends.
Originally posted by Cary: From what I have read, the four-ball wear test should only be used to compare greases. I frankly feel that it is shame that Amsoil promotes this test, because for people like me, it initially turned me off to their product and I felt it was snakeoil.
And thank you for making me feel welcome.
I only took this controversial position because after reading this board, I felt once in a while, things needed to liven up. I too was getting way too caught up in all of this. Sometimes you need a beer to loosed up.
quote:I see NO proof that I am attempting to tarnish the image of Shaefer's products. I don't care if Bob uses a Timken set-up, but why is the original poster single out one company? Also to Softpoint (and others, including cryptokid) Why do you let this slide?????
quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- b) Schaefer and Bob use Timken test. You may want to speak to him about relevance to automobile lubes. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- i have seen you do this before pablo, to tranish another brand to make yours seem not as bad is not good buisness. if schaffers or bob want to use a timken then they can go ahead.
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Who would want to buy their motor oil from a company that sells toilet paper in bulk?
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It may be that Softpoint is more confused than I thought.
