2AR-FE 2.5L Toyota battle of quiet oils

Could be a placebo or pre conceived notions.

Run each of the oils again for us, then post a a UOA for each, we need to see the trend of “less noise = better wear metals” as you stated (referring to “less contact”)

From the UOAs I’ve seen for M1 they are as good if not better than competing oils from Shell, Castrol, Valvoline, etc.
 
If it has an abv it should be visible, don’t think it does. I had a 2010 Venza and found the parts dept Toyota filters fit better. The center tube goes up to the pleats exactly as if it was a Toyota spin on filter. Others can have a considerable gap. I felt the engine was quieter with the oe filter. 2gr engine.
 
Maybe you need to replace your failed cam gears. I don’t see how different oil formulations of roughly the same viscosity, will make any meaningful impact.
Are there any bad long term effects from just not replacing the gears, and living with the rattle? I've been reading about this toyota problem for years, and can't seem to get a straight answer.

I had a porsche once with a first gen watercooled flat6. It had a timing chain rattle sometimes on startup after sitting for weeks undriven. I think consensus was a tensioner bleeding down. But was it bad for the motor to not replace the tensioner? Never got a straight answer for that either, so I just didn't bother "fixing" it.
 
I’m liking M1 EP 0W20 and BG MOA in my 24 Tundra. It runs quiter than Amsoil SS 0W20. Why MOA? I don’t know.
I have had the same experience my O2 Camry V6; it hates all mobil oils I have tried over the years
I've been using M1 on and off for decades. I despise it. Since the mid 80s. Had several bad experiences. I don't know why I keep trying that junk out. I guess I'm incredibly stupid. Just when I figure it's probably OK again, a new reason not to trust EVER the stuff comes along.

M1 trashed two valvetrains I had in the mid 90s. Blew out three main seals. trashed a friends Cessna motor. Turned immediately black after an oil change and ruined a car sale (was known to do this in their mid-2000s formulation), etc, etc.

M1 has the best marketing PR machine though.
 
I've been using M1 on and off for decades. I despise it. Since the mid 80s. Had several bad experiences. I don't know why I keep trying that junk out. I guess I'm incredibly stupid. Just when I figure it's probably OK again, a new reason not to trust EVER the stuff comes along.

M1 trashed two valvetrains I had in the mid 90s. Blew out three main seals. trashed a friends Cessna motor. Turned immediately black after an oil change and ruined a car sale (was known to do this in their mid-2000s formulation), etc, etc.

M1 has the best marketing PR machine though.
wow, bad luck there, be careful about talking neg. stuff about Mobil 1 here, lots of fan boys', its really not that bad of oil,and lots of different variances of this oil brand. Many other brands to choose from, some even better? the modern versions of Mobil 1 maybe better per say.
 
I've been using M1 on and off for decades. I despise it. Since the mid 80s. Had several bad experiences. I don't know why I keep trying that junk out. I guess I'm incredibly stupid. Just when I figure it's probably OK again, a new reason not to trust EVER the stuff comes along.

M1 trashed two valvetrains I had in the mid 90s. Blew out three main seals. trashed a friends Cessna motor. Turned immediately black after an oil change and ruined a car sale (was known to do this in their mid-2000s formulation), etc, etc.

M1 has the best marketing PR machine though.
And if you believe that…

Honestly. If it was that bad it would be off the market.
 
M1 has the best marketing PR machine though.
Maybe, but they’ve also got one of the most heavily instrumented R&D labs, and generally speaking their oils meet more (and more stringent) oil approvals and certifications than their direct competition for a given oil, sooo…

I’m not a Mobil fan by any stretch of imagination. But so much of the M1 hate here is based on baseless speculation, fallible testing methods & data interpretation, or both.

If one treated their car like crap for the first 200k miles and then the first time they run M1 it spins a rod bearing, it’s not exactly honest to point a finger at M1 without some serious forensic analysis of the failure method and mode. It just happened to be in there when all the other cumulative abuse came to light.
 
Havoline has always been very quiet in any of the vehicles I've ran it in. Followed my Valvoline EP, then Castrol gtx and QS hm, just a couple of options
 
I've been using M1 on and off for decades. I despise it. Since the mid 80s. Had several bad experiences. I don't know why I keep trying that junk out. I guess I'm incredibly stupid. Just when I figure it's probably OK again, a new reason not to trust EVER the stuff comes along.

M1 trashed two valvetrains I had in the mid 90s. Blew out three main seals. trashed a friends Cessna motor. Turned immediately black after an oil change and ruined a car sale (was known to do this in their mid-2000s formulation), etc, etc.

M1 has the best marketing PR machine though.
Wow! That's a load of accusations all rolled up into one large complaint. A product that is high-performing for (literally) millions of other users somehow ruined all that stuff? I would caution you ... when you drop unbelievable claims onto a website where many of the members are very adept at discerning bovine manure, you're not likely to fare well in your fight.

You've laid out several whoppers all in one post .... Please defend them:
Tell me ... how does one specific oil product blow out three main seals, whereas some other brand of the same viscosity doesn't?
And, if your claim is accurate ... why was an automotive lubricant in an airplane engine? (that's a disaster waiting to happen if there ever was one)
Further, how does an oil changing color indicate a ruined car sale?
Finally, if M1 has been so bad to you, why do you return to using it "on and off for decades"? That is, at its core, counterintuitive.

I'm going to need a lot more than just your claims to believe M1 caused those problems you say. I'm going to need good, hard evidence with photos, UOAs, tear-down analysis, etc.

You have every right to make those claims.
And we have every right to doubt your credibility and the accuracy of your claims.
 
I've been using M1 on and off for decades. I despise it. Since the mid 80s. Had several bad experiences. I don't know why I keep trying that junk out. I guess I'm incredibly stupid. Just when I figure it's probably OK again, a new reason not to trust EVER the stuff comes along.

M1 trashed two valvetrains I had in the mid 90s. Blew out three main seals. trashed a friends Cessna motor. Turned immediately black after an oil change and ruined a car sale (was known to do this in their mid-2000s formulation), etc, etc.

M1 has the best marketing PR machine though.
M1 made my car drive on water!!
 
I've been using M1 on and off for decades. I despise it. Since the mid 80s. Had several bad experiences. I don't know why I keep trying that junk out. I guess I'm incredibly stupid. Just when I figure it's probably OK again, a new reason not to trust EVER the stuff comes along.

M1 trashed two valvetrains I had in the mid 90s. Blew out three main seals. trashed a friends Cessna motor. Turned immediately black after an oil change and ruined a car sale (was known to do this in their mid-2000s formulation), etc, etc.

M1 has the best marketing PR machine though.
Good enough for the 24hrs of LeMans, GM's racing teams, Porsche, Mercedes AMG, but not good enough for women like Catherine. You probably just needed the oil Wizard Voltron! Gryffindor (Lucas), Hufflepuff (MMO), Ravenclaw (Seafoam) and Slytherin (Synlube), together, they are OILTRON the UMBOGBULATOR!!!!


You're a wizard Harry!
 
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I've been using M1 on and off for decades. I despise it. Since the mid 80s. Had several bad experiences. I don't know why I keep trying that junk out. I guess I'm incredibly stupid. Just when I figure it's probably OK again, a new reason not to trust EVER the stuff comes along.

M1 trashed two valvetrains I had in the mid 90s. Blew out three main seals. trashed a friends Cessna motor. Turned immediately black after an oil change and ruined a car sale (was known to do this in their mid-2000s formulation), etc, etc.

M1 has the best marketing PR machine though.
You would have been better off with the old "M1 makes my engine noisey" argument.
 
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