2015 Toyota with 2.5L 2AR-FE, how long to stretch PUP 5W30 OCI with Fram endurance?

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hey all, i havent been using the same oil on my toyota and not really sure what to stretch this OCI to.
I went with pennzoil ultra platinum 5w30 and have a fram endurance filter on it

my last oci was 8k on m1 0w30 afe and it was fine but kinda wanna run this longer but not sure what to do

live in an urban city so i guess my driving is 50/50 city / highway?

thx
 
hey all, i havent been using the same oil on my toyota and not really sure what to stretch this OCI to.
I went with pennzoil ultra platinum 5w30 and have a fram endurance filter on it

my last oci was 8k on m1 0w30 afe and it was fine but kinda wanna run this longer but not sure what to do

live in an urban city so i guess my driving is 50/50 city / highway?

thx
Stretch it back to 5,000 miles. None of these components are super expensive, and you never go wrong with short Ocis. Urban driving, btw, is super severe duty.
 
As one data point, my 2012 2AR-FE has gotten mostly 10k runs with M1 EP 0w20 (plus some TGMO before I bought it and a few other oils along the way) and OE filters. The odometer is sitting at around 183,000 miles right now, and there is no consumption or leaking whatsoever. (The level stays right on the full mark over the entire 10k run - it drops imperceptibly if at all on that run.) It still routinely beats MPG ratings. I drive a solid mix of city (15-30 minute trips but rarely shorter, usually on the freeway) with frequent long highway runs too. I'm targeting 300k for the car.

I've considered getting a UOA but never bothered considering I'm using an oil rated for double that interval. Seems like a decent margin of error to me.

For some fun math, since I have to pay a shop for oil changes (can't do maintenance at the apartment), following the interval vs. changing at 5000 miles just to be safe, since "oil is cheap" should save me around $3000 or so over my targeted life of the car, 300k. It's certainly not chump change and I'd far rather have the extra cash (those are some expensive "warm fuzzies"). Further, changing at 3k miles would cost me an extra $7000 vs. my current plan. So I'm not sure that "over maintaining" is an obviously logical option. (For the math, consider that you'd need 30 oil changes over 300k if you maintained it by the book, 60 if you did every 5k, and 100 if you did every 3k. I approximated a cost of $100 per oil change, not unreasonable for synthetic oil at a shop, though I do try and bring my own Mobil 1 when possible which saves a bit.
 
Ideally you would test to verify the OCI.

Even if you do it and have data someone will say run 5k.

From other UOAs I've seen, for a port injected non-turbo engine, even a "basic" synthetic oil can do 10k without any issues.
 
If u know u have a clean sludge free engine, I would recommend two strategies:

#1 HPL at 10k OCI and a Fram Endurance at 5k
U need an uoa with particle count data that supports a 10k filter. The analysis data needs to support ur use case on older cars. Brand new NA engines can easily do hpl and an endurance filter every 10k. Direct injection and turbo are another story.


#2 non HPL ie PU, PUP, M1 extended @ 5K OCI and a Fram Endurance every 10k

I have been doing #2 for the last 10yrs with Blackstone uoa particle count data and currently migrating to method #1.
 
Ideally, 6 months or 5K, whichever comes first, since it will keep crankcase contaminants at a lower level. Just my preference, not supported by any data.
 
I was doing 10k synthetic changes on my port injected Tundra and 4runner with 20k rated oil. Driving habits have bumped up the short trips and decreased miles per year though so I am pulling back to 7.5k. Still use cartridge filters on the Tundra and 4runner for 2 OCIs. Going to change the spin on for the Corrolla every time because smaller sump and easy access. Corrolla is on 7.5k changes now with a couple 5ks at first as it was a used car purchased with 60k on it.
 
Im 1000 miles from doing my third change with VRP in my 2019 Sportage with 112k miles.

FWIW, I'm planning on using a Purolator Boss or FRAM Endurance myself for 10k miles (still changing oil at 5k miles). I'm doing this based on a really interesting, underrated YouTube channel called Brand Ranks that does a video on both these filters. I stumbled on it today because it was a top search result when I searched "FRAM Endurance Filter review".

He does more than just cut them open and inspect them (there's that too). He's an engineer and tests them in several ways. The Purolator Boss and Fram endurance are two of the better performing filters for the price when weighed for filtration capacity, filtration efficiency, flow rate and design/build quality.

But don't take my word for it, watch the videos for yourself. I promise you wont be disappointed.

Purolator Boss
Fram Endurance
 
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