Would you continue using Mannol?

[Johnson Johnson]

My personal experience of Mannol isn't fine TBH. I always drive high mileage cars, and it is consistently burnt at a much higher rate than the more expensive brands. Valvoline, Shell, Futches etc.

They've sold oils from what I understand with 'Easter Additives' that have been found to contain no Easter at all, dodgy brake fluid that doesn't meet the requirements of dot 4, and contrary to popular opinion they're not based or made in Germany.

 

[rondhol]

Yes, It is Lithuanian manufacturer with office in Germany. Probably the base is from cheap Russian oil. I contacted API and their 7918 Oil is actually not API certified, no API donuts logo either. It is only API SP spec.
Burning rate of engine oil is more related on how fast we drive in worn engine. Less on the oil brands.
That's why I only use Mannol oil that are indeed certified, but now using local brand, Fuchs, also cheap and more trusty without flashy marketing.

 

[Johnson Johnson]

Yes, It is Lithuanian manufacturer with office in Germany. Probably the base is from cheap Russian oil. I contacted API and their 7918 Oil is actually not API certified, no API donuts logo either. It is only API SP spec.
Burning rate of engine oil is more related on how fast we drive in worn engine. Less on the oil brands.
That's why I only use Mannol oil that are indeed certified, but now using local brand, Fuchs, also cheap and more trusty without flashy marketing.

Futches is a good brand. Nope, I don't drive the car any differently depending on which oil I use. Mannol isn't a good brand IMO, that's why they've been caught cheating.

 

[Johnson Johnson]

i hear smith and allan is a serious blender there..and cheap

Actually, what do you mean by 'serious blender' ?

 

[svenson]

Yes, It is Lithuanian manufacturer with office in Germany. Probably the base is from cheap Russian oil. I contacted API and their 7918 Oil is actually not API certified, no API donuts logo either. It is only API SP spec.
Burning rate of engine oil is more related on how fast we drive in worn engine. Less on the oil brands.
That's why I only use Mannol oil that are indeed certified, but now using local brand, Fuchs, also cheap and more trusty without flashy marketing.

can you explain it more on that?

Actually, what do you mean by 'serious blender' ?

the opposite of mannol

 

[svenson]

, Futches etc.

h 'Easter Additives' that have been found to contain no Easter at all,

Futches is a good brand.

easter... ? you mean esters
and who is futches? do you mean fuchs by that?

 

[Johnson Johnson]

easter... ? you mean esters
and who is futches? do you mean fuchs by that?

Are you accusing me of being a serious misspeller?

Because you'd have a point. I'm going to use the Smith and Allan oil. I can't tell you all what it's going in, because I'll get roasted for that too!

 

[rondhol]

I used to have Nissan Altima 02 with nutorious QR25DE engine. It burns oil regardless brands I used. If I drive below 70mph, it consumed about 1Q every 1k miles, but once I drove 80mph or above, it burned 1Q every 500 miles.
I believe that any oil that meet API SP or ACEA Cx, are good oil and should be fine with 5k-10k miles interval, depends on how we drive the cars.
Most Engine OIl brands: Kirkland, Supertech, Petronas, etc. just get the base oil from Exxon, Chevron, Eneos, and slap the approved/tested additives packages from Lubrizol, Afton Chem, Oronite, Infinium and get API approval. Otherwise, they have to pay hundreeds of thousands $ just to get the API approval.

 

[Johnson Johnson]

I used to have Nissan Altima 02 with nutorious QR25DE engine. It burns oil regardless brands I used. If I drive below 70mph, it consumed about 1Q every 1k miles, but once I drove 80mph or above, it burned 1Q every 500 miles.
I believe that any oil that meet API SP or ACEA Cx, are good oil and should be fine with 5k-10k miles interval, depends on how we drive the cars.
Most Engine OIl brands: Kirkland, Supertech, Petronas, etc. just get the base oil from Exxon, Chevron, Eneos, and slap the approved/tested additives packages from Lubrizol, Afton Chem, Oronite, Infinium and get API approval. Otherwise, they have to pay hundreeds of thousands $ just to get the API approval.

I'd agree, apart from that particular brand beginning with M. There was also another brand under name of Triple XX I tried, again it was just burnt. I switched to a better known quality oil and the consumption virtually stopped. 530d 250,000 miles.

 

[Johnson Johnson]

I used to have Nissan Altima 02 with nutorious QR25DE engine. It burns oil regardless brands I used. If I drive below 70mph, it consumed about 1Q every 1k miles, but once I drove 80mph or above, it burned 1Q every 500 miles.
I believe that any oil that meet API SP or ACEA Cx, are good oil and should be fine with 5k-10k miles interval, depends on how we drive the cars.
Most Engine OIl brands: Kirkland, Supertech, Petronas, etc. just get the base oil from Exxon, Chevron, Eneos, and slap the approved/tested additives packages from Lubrizol, Afton Chem, Oronite, Infinium and get API approval. Otherwise, they have to pay hundreeds of thousands $ just to get the API approval.

I'd agree, apart from that particular brand beginning with M. There was also another brand under name of Triple XX I tried, again it was just burnt. I switched to a better known quality oil and the consumption virtually stopped. 530d 250,000

easter... ? you mean esters
and who is futches? do you mean fuchs by that?

I mean, can't we just even this out, I don't see the need for loggerheads?

 

[mojocvh]

If i started to lose faith in the quality of an oil i was using I'd look for a new brand.

Indeed my case entirely.

I'm in the UK and am starting to doubt a lot of oils that were previously "Most Excellent"..

Fuchs Titan Race Pro. [Commuted from Perthshire to Norfolk and back 820 miles every fortnight for 4 years never never had a doubt about the old Amber stuff, engine went through 100k in that use, it's still going strong with a mate after 25 years on the UK roads good old girl] Production moved from Silkolene, Burton and Trent {to Germany} now no specs on sheet & gone purple hmmm.

Castrol. Always, always look very carefully at their spec sheets. I have a renault sport car, Renault Sport manual says 4.8 l of 5W-40 A3/B4.

Castrol say 0W-40. It's just that 0W->40 is a stretch more that 5w-40. Then there the A3/B4 bit that apparently now doesn't count...

Etc, Etc.

Who uses Millers EE 5W-40 anyone?

 

[Johnson Johnson]

Indeed my case entirely.

I'm in the UK and am starting to doubt a lot of oils that were previously "Most Excellent"..

Fuchs Titan Race Pro. [Commuted from Perthshire to Norfolk and back 820 miles every fortnight for 4 years never never had a doubt about the old Amber stuff, engine went through 100k in that use, it's still going strong with a mate after 25 years on the UK roads good old girl] Production moved from Silkolene, Burton and Trent {to Germany} now no specs on sheet & gone purple hmmm.

Castrol. Always, always look very carefully at their spec sheets. I have a renault sport car, Renault Sport manual says 4.8 l of 5W-40 A3/B4.

Castrol say 0W-40. It's just that 0W->40 is a stretch more that 5w-40. Then there the A3/B4 bit that apparently now doesn't count...

Etc, Etc.

Who uses Millers EE 5W-40 anyone?

What do you mean about A3 B4 not counting? That's the oil I use, I'm worried!

 

[YZJB]

Castrol. Always, always look very carefully at their spec sheets. I have a renault sport car, Renault Sport manual says 4.8 l of 5W-40 A3/B4.

Castrol say 0W-40. It's just that 0W->40 is a stretch more that 5w-40. Then there the A3/B4 bit that apparently now doesn't count...

Castrol recommends its 0W-40 because it’s a better oil than its 5W-40. Simple as that.

 

[Johnson Johnson]

Castrol recommends its 0W-40 because it’s a better oil than its 5W-40. Simple as that.

A wider viscosity range does usually reduce the service life however, how long can an oil actually maintain such a wide range?

 

[svenson]

A wider viscosity range does usually reduce the service life however, how long can an oil actually maintain such a wide range?

generally yes,but it depends on the recipy of the 0- oil .
this one from castrol 0-40 a3-b4 has a very good ,lots of PAO,base oil and according to experts here that tested that oil even at tracking days ,holds very well, its a stout oil.
comparing this to castrol 5-40 ,0-40 is a winner by far. comparing castrol 0-40 to motul excess gen 2 5-40 then both excellent oils.
so grade isnt everything, base stocks is what makes it better or worse.

viscosity maintain? a such good base oil same as any oil,5000miles.

 

[mojocvh]

generally yes,but it depends on the recipy of the 0- oil .
this one from castrol 0-40 a3-b4 has a very good ,lots of PAO,base oil and according to experts here that tested that oil even at tracking days ,holds very well, its a stout oil.
comparing this to castrol 5-40 ,0-40 is a winner by far. comparing castrol 0-40 to motul excess gen 2 5-40 then both excellent oils.
so grade isnt everything, base stocks is what makes it better or worse.

viscosity maintain? a such good base oil same as any oil,5000miles.

That's interesting as JJs thoughts aligned with mine, extra viscosity modifiers to stretch the 0-40 to a 5-40.
As for costs, I looked last week and for a sumpful [5l] of redline 0w-40 £95 [pretty **** good oil IMO] about the cost of two [5l] containers of ultra. 0W-40 is a recommendation for colder weather operations in the K4M. Intrigued about the oils qualities as it's gas derived [POA???] Good discussion.

 

[OVERKILL]

That's interesting as JJs thoughts aligned with mine, extra viscosity modifiers to stretch the 0-40 to a 5-40.
As for costs, I looked last week and for a sumpful [5l] of redline 0w-40 £95 [pretty **** good oil IMO] about the cost of two [5l] containers of ultra. 0W-40 is a recommendation for colder weather operations in the K4M. Intrigued about the oils qualities as it's gas derived [POA???] Good discussion.

The VM's do not "stretch" the 0W-40 to a 5W-40, they would use different base oil blends, the 5W-40 would use ones that don't meet the requirements for the 0W-xx Winter grade, while the 0W-40 would.

They could have the same VM treat rate, or the 0W-40 could even have a lower treat rate, depending on the base oil blend.

Example, this 0W-40 has 9.4% VM and the 0W-30, which uses a heavier base oil blend (contains some 6cSt PAO) uses on 5.7% VM:

While this 5W-30 has 11.74% VM:

And here's Mobil's table for blending 0W-40/5W-40/10W-40 all with PAO, which, predictably, uses thinner base oils and more VM for the lower Winter grades:

But of course that's not generally how they are blended, with a switch to cheaper base oils for the higher Winter grades, like this:

Where we see they use 11.8 to 12.6% VII, which is higher than our 0W-40 examples above.