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EDyvw seems you have good luck with the GC in your TSI equipped cars. What made you choose that over the M1 0w40?
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Don't the 504 approved oils have a lower NOACK %?
That would be one benefit of redline 502 or 504 equivalents a NOACK of 6% that may help with the issue on page 1 no?
That would be one benefit of redline 502 or 504 equivalents a NOACK of 6% that may help with the issue on page 1 no?
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Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
I'm just curious about the warranty stuff is all. You just can't beat M1 0w40 for the money I'm just curious about warranty and if red line was used.that's all
What they told me in VW is to buy filter from them, keep rceipt and keep receipts from purchased oil.
But man, you are talking about M1, 504.00/507.00, for god sake, try something!
Beat M1 for a money? How much you would save? $10? Is that gonna make difference in your life? WOW $10, you will be rich!
I'm just curious about the warranty stuff is all. You just can't beat M1 0w40 for the money I'm just curious about warranty and if red line was used.that's all
What they told me in VW is to buy filter from them, keep rceipt and keep receipts from purchased oil.
But man, you are talking about M1, 504.00/507.00, for god sake, try something!
Beat M1 for a money? How much you would save? $10? Is that gonna make difference in your life? WOW $10, you will be rich!
Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
So if I wanted to use a non vw approved oil like redline 5w30 would vw have to prove that the non vw approved oil caused a failure? I mean redlinei think is a better oil personally but how do warranty claims work on something like that?
I am most likely just going to stick with the M1 0w40 but Redline would actuator be the one oil I would prefer to use.
Jeff
And how I feel after reading 18 pages on this subject!
So if I wanted to use a non vw approved oil like redline 5w30 would vw have to prove that the non vw approved oil caused a failure? I mean redlinei think is a better oil personally but how do warranty claims work on something like that?
I am most likely just going to stick with the M1 0w40 but Redline would actuator be the one oil I would prefer to use.
Jeff
And how I feel after reading 18 pages on this subject!
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Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
EDyvw seems you have good luck with the GC in your TSI equipped cars. What made you choose that over the M1 0w40?
I used M1 in Mazda when I owned it. Very good oil, so nothing against it (it was 5W30).
However, I treid once in 1.8T passat, it was too rough compare to GC.
When I got CC, I tried M1, bcs I was thinking that bcs of fuel dillution heavier oil might be better. First 5k I made moslty on HWY. I had several long trips (700+ miles) and it behaved OK. Next 5K i did mostly in city, and that is where I noticed a very bad smell in oil (fuel), there were some colder days, so engine would be rough in the morning.
So I decided to go with GC, never had rough start in the morning (and I was cranking few times on 0 degrees), if there is a lot of city driving, you can smell fuel, but nothing like M1. This is nothing scientific, but I just prefer GC. Not to mention it doe not burn a drop of GC!
EDyvw seems you have good luck with the GC in your TSI equipped cars. What made you choose that over the M1 0w40?
I used M1 in Mazda when I owned it. Very good oil, so nothing against it (it was 5W30).
However, I treid once in 1.8T passat, it was too rough compare to GC.
When I got CC, I tried M1, bcs I was thinking that bcs of fuel dillution heavier oil might be better. First 5k I made moslty on HWY. I had several long trips (700+ miles) and it behaved OK. Next 5K i did mostly in city, and that is where I noticed a very bad smell in oil (fuel), there were some colder days, so engine would be rough in the morning.
So I decided to go with GC, never had rough start in the morning (and I was cranking few times on 0 degrees), if there is a lot of city driving, you can smell fuel, but nothing like M1. This is nothing scientific, but I just prefer GC. Not to mention it doe not burn a drop of GC!
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Well I just noticed this sticker in my engine bay. I never noticed it before i just looked in the manual.
So I guess the 504 is out even though it does say in my manual i could use 504
Engine Bay Sticker
I think folks are getting confused about what I'm trying to get at. I'm not saying what oil should I use im trying to use an oil that may help reduce intake valve deposits. I may or may not keep the car to find out if the deposits occur but if something like oil choice would help I would be willing to try. That's all. Im seeking info pertaining to this subject in particular.
So if I stick with a 502 oil wouldn't one witha low NOACK help? At least in theory?
M1 0w40 is in the 10-13% NOACK range. Redline is 6%. Granted no VW approval. Just using them as an example.
Jeff
So I guess the 504 is out even though it does say in my manual i could use 504
Engine Bay Sticker
I think folks are getting confused about what I'm trying to get at. I'm not saying what oil should I use im trying to use an oil that may help reduce intake valve deposits. I may or may not keep the car to find out if the deposits occur but if something like oil choice would help I would be willing to try. That's all. Im seeking info pertaining to this subject in particular.
So if I stick with a 502 oil wouldn't one witha low NOACK help? At least in theory?
M1 0w40 is in the 10-13% NOACK range. Redline is 6%. Granted no VW approval. Just using them as an example.
Jeff
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Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Well I just noticed this sticker in my engine bay. I never noticed it before i just looked in the manual.
So I guess the 504 is out even though it does say in my manual i could use 504
Engine Bay Sticker
I think folks are getting confused about what I'm trying to get at. I'm not saying what oil should I use im trying to use an oil that may help reduce intake valve deposits. I may or may not keep the car to find out if the deposits occur or not but this is the thing if something like oil choice would help I would be willing to try. That's all. Im seeking info pertaining to this subject in particular.
So if I stick with a 502 oil wouldn't one witha low NOACK help? At least in theory?
M1 0w40 is in the 10-13% NOACK range. Redline is 6%. Granted no VW approval. Just using them as an example.
Jeff
M1 cannot be in 10-13% range since it meets MB 229.5 requirement. That is one of the best oils, it is recommended for Porsche, AMG, GT-R. I only think that for VW it is not fit. Same as GC is not behaving that good in some cars.
Using M1 in VW? Honestly, it is not going to make any demage, it is far more superior then some other 502 oils. But I just personally dislike it in this application.
Well I just noticed this sticker in my engine bay. I never noticed it before i just looked in the manual.
So I guess the 504 is out even though it does say in my manual i could use 504
Engine Bay Sticker
I think folks are getting confused about what I'm trying to get at. I'm not saying what oil should I use im trying to use an oil that may help reduce intake valve deposits. I may or may not keep the car to find out if the deposits occur or not but this is the thing if something like oil choice would help I would be willing to try. That's all. Im seeking info pertaining to this subject in particular.
So if I stick with a 502 oil wouldn't one witha low NOACK help? At least in theory?
M1 0w40 is in the 10-13% NOACK range. Redline is 6%. Granted no VW approval. Just using them as an example.
Jeff
M1 cannot be in 10-13% range since it meets MB 229.5 requirement. That is one of the best oils, it is recommended for Porsche, AMG, GT-R. I only think that for VW it is not fit. Same as GC is not behaving that good in some cars.
Using M1 in VW? Honestly, it is not going to make any demage, it is far more superior then some other 502 oils. But I just personally dislike it in this application.
Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
M1 0w40 is in the 10-13% NOACK range.
What is the source of this info?
AFAIK, it's around 8.8%.
M1 0w40 is in the 10-13% NOACK range.
What is the source of this info?
AFAIK, it's around 8.8%.
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Originally Posted By: pscholte
256 posts on the same subject (between two threads). What am I missing here? I am dead serious-- no "shots" intended: what is the point? If it hasn't been settled by now it is not likely to be...ever.
A lot of free time! Maybe lack of activities, idk, could be bunch of stuff.
256 posts on the same subject (between two threads). What am I missing here? I am dead serious-- no "shots" intended: what is the point? If it hasn't been settled by now it is not likely to be...ever.
A lot of free time! Maybe lack of activities, idk, could be bunch of stuff.
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Or maybe the answer has not been found because no one really knows and just guesses?
I miss the old school guys on this site that had years of experience in the oil industry that gave good insight.
Now the site is filed with nothing but speculation.
People who have to ask "why" haven't really read what I'm after. Still don't. So if you have nothing positive to add then don't post anything. Your sarcasm is not appreciated.
Jeff
I miss the old school guys on this site that had years of experience in the oil industry that gave good insight.
Now the site is filed with nothing but speculation.
People who have to ask "why" haven't really read what I'm after. Still don't. So if you have nothing positive to add then don't post anything. Your sarcasm is not appreciated.
Jeff
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Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Or maybe the answer has not been found because no one really knows and just guesses?
The end result is the same: "If it hasn't been settled by now it is not likely to be...ever."
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I miss the old school guys on this site that had years of experience in the oil industry that gave good insight.
Coming from someone who's only been a member for a little over 3 years, that's hilarious.
Have you considered the possibility that these so called "old school guys" aren't responding because there is just not enough data on the subject or that whatever data there is suggests that you're splitting hairs?
My advice (for the n-th time): find yourself something else to worry about.
Or maybe the answer has not been found because no one really knows and just guesses?
The end result is the same: "If it hasn't been settled by now it is not likely to be...ever."
Quote:
I miss the old school guys on this site that had years of experience in the oil industry that gave good insight.
Coming from someone who's only been a member for a little over 3 years, that's hilarious.
Have you considered the possibility that these so called "old school guys" aren't responding because there is just not enough data on the subject or that whatever data there is suggests that you're splitting hairs?
My advice (for the n-th time): find yourself something else to worry about.
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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Or maybe the answer has not been found because no one really knows and just guesses?
The end result is the same: "If it hasn't been settled by now it is not likely to be...ever."
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I miss the old school guys on this site that had years of experience in the oil industry that gave good insight.
Coming from someone who's only been a member for a little over 3 years, that's hilarious.
Have you considered the possibility that these so called "old school guys" aren't responding because there is just not enough data on the subject or that whatever data there is suggests that you're splitting hairs?
Or their answer would be too simple.
Doug, certainly one of the "old school guys" with half a century of experience in the industry would say to run an approved lubricant. End of story. He'd probably recommend M1 0w-40.
Sometimes the answer isn't as complex and drawn out as we hope it is
Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Or maybe the answer has not been found because no one really knows and just guesses?
The end result is the same: "If it hasn't been settled by now it is not likely to be...ever."
Quote:
I miss the old school guys on this site that had years of experience in the oil industry that gave good insight.
Coming from someone who's only been a member for a little over 3 years, that's hilarious.
Have you considered the possibility that these so called "old school guys" aren't responding because there is just not enough data on the subject or that whatever data there is suggests that you're splitting hairs?
Or their answer would be too simple.
Doug, certainly one of the "old school guys" with half a century of experience in the industry would say to run an approved lubricant. End of story. He'd probably recommend M1 0w-40.
Sometimes the answer isn't as complex and drawn out as we hope it is
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: pscholte
256 posts on the same subject (between two threads). What am I missing here? I am dead serious-- no "shots" intended: what is the point? If it hasn't been settled by now it is not likely to be...ever.
A lot of free time! Maybe lack of activities, idk, could be bunch of stuff.
I guess so....on another issue, regarding our German car debate, I have restored my investment positions in VW, Porsche, BMW and Daimler. All is well.
Originally Posted By: pscholte
256 posts on the same subject (between two threads). What am I missing here? I am dead serious-- no "shots" intended: what is the point? If it hasn't been settled by now it is not likely to be...ever.
A lot of free time! Maybe lack of activities, idk, could be bunch of stuff.
I guess so....on another issue, regarding our German car debate, I have restored my investment positions in VW, Porsche, BMW and Daimler. All is well.
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Originally Posted By: pscholte
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: pscholte
256 posts on the same subject (between two threads). What am I missing here? I am dead serious-- no "shots" intended: what is the point? If it hasn't been settled by now it is not likely to be...ever.
A lot of free time! Maybe lack of activities, idk, could be bunch of stuff.
I guess so....on another issue, regarding our German car debate, I have restored my investment positions in VW, Porsche, BMW and Daimler. All is well.
Well that is good, as long as money flows, even if it is Russian LADA
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: pscholte
256 posts on the same subject (between two threads). What am I missing here? I am dead serious-- no "shots" intended: what is the point? If it hasn't been settled by now it is not likely to be...ever.
A lot of free time! Maybe lack of activities, idk, could be bunch of stuff.
I guess so....on another issue, regarding our German car debate, I have restored my investment positions in VW, Porsche, BMW and Daimler. All is well.
Well that is good, as long as money flows, even if it is Russian LADA
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Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Or maybe the answer has not been found because no one really knows and just guesses?
I miss the old school guys on this site that had years of experience in the oil industry that gave good insight.
Now the site is filed with nothing but speculation.
People who have to ask "why" haven't really read what I'm after. Still don't. So if you have nothing positive to add then don't post anything. Your sarcasm is not appreciated.
Jeff
So what you trying to do? Keep posting until someone says: YES, do this or that?
Man, just use someting, and then switch. You want certain answer, 100% for sure. Life does not work that way!
Or as I said, get Toyota Camry!
Or maybe the answer has not been found because no one really knows and just guesses?
I miss the old school guys on this site that had years of experience in the oil industry that gave good insight.
Now the site is filed with nothing but speculation.
People who have to ask "why" haven't really read what I'm after. Still don't. So if you have nothing positive to add then don't post anything. Your sarcasm is not appreciated.
Jeff
So what you trying to do? Keep posting until someone says: YES, do this or that?
Man, just use someting, and then switch. You want certain answer, 100% for sure. Life does not work that way!
Or as I said, get Toyota Camry!
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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Or maybe the answer has not been found because no one really knows and just guesses?
The end result is the same: "If it hasn't been settled by now it is not likely to be...ever."
Quote:
I miss the old school guys on this site that had years of experience in the oil industry that gave good insight.
Coming from someone who's only been a member for a little over 3 years, that's hilarious.
Have you considered the possibility that these so called "old school guys" aren't responding because there is just not enough data on the subject or that whatever data there is suggests that you're splitting hairs?
My advice (for the n-th time): find yourself something else to worry about.
Quattro Pete escape your "seniority" on your precious website as to think that being a "senior" on your beloved oil site actuality means anything. I have more time tinkering and tearing down motors, and "experience" in other matters like racing where one doesn't think much on the dynamics of oil. I simply came here to gain knowledge of which it seems you repeatedly sarcastically try to give.
Maybe get off your high horse and think maybe some folks arent as "smart" as you.
Greeze your something else.
Let's meet at willow Springs one day so you can get "schooled"
Jeff
Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Or maybe the answer has not been found because no one really knows and just guesses?
The end result is the same: "If it hasn't been settled by now it is not likely to be...ever."
Quote:
I miss the old school guys on this site that had years of experience in the oil industry that gave good insight.
Coming from someone who's only been a member for a little over 3 years, that's hilarious.
Have you considered the possibility that these so called "old school guys" aren't responding because there is just not enough data on the subject or that whatever data there is suggests that you're splitting hairs?
My advice (for the n-th time): find yourself something else to worry about.
Quattro Pete escape your "seniority" on your precious website as to think that being a "senior" on your beloved oil site actuality means anything. I have more time tinkering and tearing down motors, and "experience" in other matters like racing where one doesn't think much on the dynamics of oil. I simply came here to gain knowledge of which it seems you repeatedly sarcastically try to give.
Maybe get off your high horse and think maybe some folks arent as "smart" as you.
Greeze your something else.
Let's meet at willow Springs one day so you can get "schooled"
Jeff
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It's like you guys are upset with me because I'm curious if 504 would be better to use than 502 and I get all this?
Geeze forget I ever asked.
Geeze forget I ever asked.
Why don't you just PM your "old school guys" since you're not getting their attention here?
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It's like you guys are upset with me because I'm curious if 504 would be better to use than 502 and I get all this?
You keep asking the same question over and over hoping to get a different answer? This forum has dispensed all the advice there was. You just refuse to take it.
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It's like you guys are upset with me because I'm curious if 504 would be better to use than 502 and I get all this?
You keep asking the same question over and over hoping to get a different answer? This forum has dispensed all the advice there was. You just refuse to take it.
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Why so many jerk offs on this site all of a sudden. Geeze.
You know who you are.
Do not get me wrong, but you are repeating questions, and trying to give answers. You are trying to see if anyone agrees with your beliefs.
This tread and other one are like some teen magazine: I kissed the boy, am I gonna get pregnant?
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Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Why so many jerk offs on this site all of a sudden. Geeze.
You know who you are.
Do not get me wrong, but you are repeating questions, and trying to give answers. You are trying to see if anyone agrees with your beliefs.
This tread and other one are like some teen magazine: I kissed the boy, am I gonna get pregnant?
-Dennis
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