No news. In other words, I was right. Not "PAO + Ester based" which you claimed being a "fact".
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No news. In other words, I was right. Not "PAO + Ester based" which you claimed being a "fact".
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no one know we are just speculating based of the information given. You seem to have a hard time interpreting information. It’s likely just group 3 with some pao and ester but small amount like mobil 1.
I've seen their 20l jugs and thought it was a decent deal. Keep us posted but it seems like decent run of the mill oil from what I've read about it previously.
You said "fact" before without knowing.
From Mannol 7919 Legend Extra 0w30 SDS 2023:
So, clearly no "PAO and POE" to speak of. Its poor pourpoint of
just -40°C reveals the absence of the claimed "majority" of PAO.
So, it's no less than scam. More than certain, if not to say "fact".
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POE is not guaranteed to show up on an MSDS, but PAO definitely will.
I agree this is not a PAO synthetic though,, and wouldn't even call it synthetic with possibly 48% group 2 mineral oil
scam oil,see the other relative thread
I agree, but without PAO you don't need (expensive) POE as part of the
base oil to reach an appropriate aniline point (seal compatibility). Some
combination of group 2 and 3 will do the trick, but at a much lower cost.
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Tom NJ
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Just FYI, the "bis(2-ethylhexyl) sebacate" listed is a synthetic diester and shown at 1%.
I emailed Mannol directly and they confirmed that it is mainly HC synthetic, just like what others use Castrol, Valvoline, etc. The price is actually not so much different than Walmart price of Mobil 1 ~ $26 for 5Quarts. Europe just tax more and most popular brands sell at Autozone price without deal
Yes, most Mannol are HC or group III with a drop of PAO or Ester for marketing. They mislead us but the certification and grade are legit.
It is nice to have alternative brands that are indeed VW 504/507 certified. It works just fine just like other blenders. The additives packages are still made by big 4 anyway. The base oil, I am not sure where it is from. But it is still qualified oil..
It is nice to have alternative brands that are indeed VW 504/507 certified. It works just fine just like other blenders. The additives packages are still made by big 4 anyway. The base oil, I am not sure where it is from. But it is still qualified oil..
I was wrong, some of the oil with approval like 7730 and 7715 has high amount of PAO.
The 7730 0w30 504 oil has about 60% PAO, very hard to pass, <40% group III. SDS 2025,
https://sct-b2b.com/out/msds/sdMN7730_-_MANNOL 7730 Legend 504⁄507_(DE).pdf
The 7730 0w30 504 oil has about 60% PAO, very hard to pass, <40% group III. SDS 2025,
https://sct-b2b.com/out/msds/sdMN7730_-_MANNOL 7730 Legend 504⁄507_(DE).pdf
The idea of having a "rotation" of oils seems self-defeating. It is known that not all oil drains from an engine during an oil change, upwards of a quart or more may remain, depending on design and capacity. It is also known that not all oil additive packages play well with others. You've listed some higher-quality, boutique oils, which typically have higher concentrations of additives than many OTS oils. IMHO, this increases the potential for additives clashing with each other.
I realize many people change oil brands, and even viscosity, more often than they change their underwear. For that matter, many people find underwear they like and stock up on, having several years' supply, just in case the manufacturer changes their design or material.
But I digress...
Very well said sir.
Usually the same product line tend to have same/similar additive pack (not counting VII). So if one needs to change the viscosity/hths, a different grade from the same line is the best option. But other than that, I do not know a good reason to rotate between oils, unless there is a spesific target to achieve (such as Valvoline Restore and Protect for a certain number of OCI and then going back to normal)
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Uh, those aren't the kind of additives in the sense we are discussing here.
You're changing the thread to
Hi where are you based, what country?
I don't think experimenting with unpopular oils is a good hobby because you put your car engine at stake.
I found these two links about that oil. One claims the oil is PAO + ester (German website):
https://www.mannol.de/products/synthetic-engine-oils/mannol-legend-504-507-0w-30
And the other one claims is PAO only (American website):
https://mannolamerica.com/product/mn7730-mannol-legend-504-507-0w-30-7730/
I doubt that when people have plenty of choices of more popular brands.
My personal view of best practice when it comes to my engine's oil is to stick with a single product, currently AMSOIL Signature Series, and when I make the switch to HPL Premium Plus PCMO, expect to see a blending of additives for one or two OCIs due to differences in additives.
Military spec? That would be interesting to see, ASTM D6922 is used as part of an API license and elsewhere. This shows miscibility only, not any qualitative indication of how the additives work together or not. It only shows whether the mixture will separate or otherwise cause harm.
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