Castrol has a 5w30 that meets MB 229.5 on shelves right now. All Valvoline needs is a 5w30 RNP formula that meets MB specs AND they could go get it licensed.
Would you consider Valvoline Restore and Protect in your Euro car?
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You are forgetting key thing here: known issues with piston rings on Audi from that generation. No oil will solve engineering problem.
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Using VRP in an engine with known problems with timing chain, while your LL04 available on any local gas station in Germany has specific test for that type of timing chain.
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It's low tension piston rings that get coked up and stuck in the ring lands. I did the Berrymans B12 piston soak, BG EPR flush right after, and switched to 5w30 VR&P. Went from 400 miles to a quart of oil to not using any oil in 5000 mile runs, and you telling me it doesn't work? Sorry you cant wrap your head around that. I'll continue to use the VR&P moving forward. If the consumption comes back then I'd tell ya the oil didn't work, but until then Its obvious to me the "engineering problem" can easily be fixed with what I did here.
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OK, keep doing it then.
so he is the reason i cant find it here in europe
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Well VR&P does not have any Euro approvals obviously, but myself I dont care as the Castrol Euro oil is what plugged things up in the first place on our Q7.
People need to actually think outside the box sometimes. In my case, I don't drive on the Autobahn, so the higher Euro HTHS requirement is not something I'm worried about as our oil temps run much cooler in the states where we have speed limits. I also wont run the VR&P to 10,000 mile intervals. I'll change it at 5-6000 miles. Valvoline does not recommend using it in place of the Euro spec oils as they already have a Euro oil, but what good are those Euro oils when it doesn't have the secret sauce in it to literally clean up the piston deposits for the low tension oil control rings some of these engines are faced with?
I've been using Mobil1 0-40 oil forever in all my Euro vehicles till this Q7 with its CREC engine thats known to stick the low tension oil control rings. Now I needed something better for it to clean it up and keep it clean so figured I needed to do something different with it. So VR&P it is. I also run it in my 5.3 Chevy truck and it working so well in these vehicles I'm also going to with my 2013 Audi A6 3.0t over to VR&P also. I've noticed increased idle smoothness and increased fuel mileage in the truck and the Q7. I'm curious if I see the same in the A6 when I switch to it this week. Even though the older A6 is not known for oil consumption, and I've never experienced any usage of Mobile 1 doing 10,000 mile changes, I want to see how it responds to the VR&P and I see the same fuel mileage gains and improved engine idle smoothness. It doesn't get driven over a couple thousand miles a year anyway now that I have retired, so doing extended drains is not important to me anymore, I'll do it yearly now anyway.
I think VR&P works well and does what its supposed to do cleaning piston and control ring pack and ring lands. It's not going to be for the guy that wants extend drain intervals, runs the Autobahn or high speeds and needs that increased HTHS, or tracks a car, but for many who needs the cleaning power for the low tension control rings or face oil consumption from stuck rings, what is your other options? About the only other oil I'd consider is the high priced HPL oils. I'd like to think Valvoline will eventually bring a Euro spec oil or even at least a 40 weight oil, but until then I know I'm fine with the 5w30 version of VR&P.
People need to actually think outside the box sometimes. In my case, I don't drive on the Autobahn, so the higher Euro HTHS requirement is not something I'm worried about as our oil temps run much cooler in the states where we have speed limits. I also wont run the VR&P to 10,000 mile intervals. I'll change it at 5-6000 miles. Valvoline does not recommend using it in place of the Euro spec oils as they already have a Euro oil, but what good are those Euro oils when it doesn't have the secret sauce in it to literally clean up the piston deposits for the low tension oil control rings some of these engines are faced with?
I've been using Mobil1 0-40 oil forever in all my Euro vehicles till this Q7 with its CREC engine thats known to stick the low tension oil control rings. Now I needed something better for it to clean it up and keep it clean so figured I needed to do something different with it. So VR&P it is. I also run it in my 5.3 Chevy truck and it working so well in these vehicles I'm also going to with my 2013 Audi A6 3.0t over to VR&P also. I've noticed increased idle smoothness and increased fuel mileage in the truck and the Q7. I'm curious if I see the same in the A6 when I switch to it this week. Even though the older A6 is not known for oil consumption, and I've never experienced any usage of Mobile 1 doing 10,000 mile changes, I want to see how it responds to the VR&P and I see the same fuel mileage gains and improved engine idle smoothness. It doesn't get driven over a couple thousand miles a year anyway now that I have retired, so doing extended drains is not important to me anymore, I'll do it yearly now anyway.
I think VR&P works well and does what its supposed to do cleaning piston and control ring pack and ring lands. It's not going to be for the guy that wants extend drain intervals, runs the Autobahn or high speeds and needs that increased HTHS, or tracks a car, but for many who needs the cleaning power for the low tension control rings or face oil consumption from stuck rings, what is your other options? About the only other oil I'd consider is the high priced HPL oils. I'd like to think Valvoline will eventually bring a Euro spec oil or even at least a 40 weight oil, but until then I know I'm fine with the 5w30 version of VR&P.
I would not mind using it, but I would also keep my oil change interval significantly shorter than manufacturer`s suggestion. The first thing comes to mind with euro vs non euro oils is the HTHS and detergency. VRP will probably sheer much faster, and be less resistant to high temperature around the Turbo. So maybe I would do a 3K mile interval? So I would treat VRP almost like a cleaning additive rather than an engine oil replacement. In just 10-12k miles you would be done with all 4 cycles
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