That's the cool part about most Apple things. They're expensive to buy and repair, but when they work, they just plain work. I've used a 4th generation iPod Touch as a basic PDA for 1.5 years now, and it just plain works. I'd consider an iPhone when they come out with the 4G model.
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Originally Posted By: MNgopher
So, I went with a Nokia Lumia 900 running Windows Phone 7.5. Honestly, I am pretty impressed (and the phone being free in the end didn't hurt either...)
The Windows Phone makes a better phone than most phones out there, thing is, people gloss by these in the phone store or the sales clerk is completely biased. The HTC Titan Windows Phone particularly is a great product.
Agree with earlier poster, the 4S is in a different league altogether. After having my 4S for about a month now, it's worlds better than the 3GS.
Sure the screen is small at 3.5", but everything just works well. Now if someone could write an app to do the dishes....
So, I went with a Nokia Lumia 900 running Windows Phone 7.5. Honestly, I am pretty impressed (and the phone being free in the end didn't hurt either...)
The Windows Phone makes a better phone than most phones out there, thing is, people gloss by these in the phone store or the sales clerk is completely biased. The HTC Titan Windows Phone particularly is a great product.
Agree with earlier poster, the 4S is in a different league altogether. After having my 4S for about a month now, it's worlds better than the 3GS.
Sure the screen is small at 3.5", but everything just works well. Now if someone could write an app to do the dishes....
I agree that the geeks (and I use that term nicely) at the retail stores tend to push Android or iphones. The Windows platform has a long way to go to catch up, but what I am seeing so far, I really like!
I have used both androids and iphones. Problem with android is your experience depends on the hardware (e.g. Samsung vs HTC vs Motorola vs Huawei etc etc) and manufacturer/carrier specific software overlays. My android experience with a Huawei Ideos was horrible, but it was awesome with a HTC Amaze. I would choose the iPhone over the Ideos 10 out of 10 times and the Amaze over the iphone 10 out of 10 times. Buying an iphone is easy and low risk (of course you pay the huge price premium). Buying an Android and then customizing it requires some time and research because both the upside and downsides are higher.
I can't wait until Windows 8 comes out though. I hear big things are in store.
I can't wait until Windows 8 comes out though. I hear big things are in store.
Windows needs more app support
What more app support does windows need? Specific apps in mind? In actual use, I've got everything I really need at this point...
I don't get hung up on the numbers of apps. So many out there are junk anyways. The basic functional stuff is there...
I don't get hung up on the numbers of apps. So many out there are junk anyways. The basic functional stuff is there...
Originally Posted By: MNgopher
What more app support does windows need? Specific apps in mind? In actual use, I've got everything I really need at this point...
I don't get hung up on the numbers of apps. So many out there are junk anyways. The basic functional stuff is there...
Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of having a third OS to choose from, but when Microsoft is paying developers then you have to wonder why. And LG just announced they're halting WP development.
What more app support does windows need? Specific apps in mind? In actual use, I've got everything I really need at this point...
I don't get hung up on the numbers of apps. So many out there are junk anyways. The basic functional stuff is there...
Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of having a third OS to choose from, but when Microsoft is paying developers then you have to wonder why. And LG just announced they're halting WP development.
The problem with Android is that people mess with them too much, because it's so easy to mess with, and that is why they have all sorts of problems. Plus prior android versions were pretty bad.
I messed around with my Galaxy S by putting custom overlays, lock screens and all that stuff. Most of the time al these customizations slowed the phone down and/or killed battery life.
But ever since I updated to Gingerbread I stopped with all that stuff. I just got the apps I use, got some wallpapers and that's it. Guess what, the phone works wonderfully. It's smooth, fast, the battery life is decent and I NEVER have to reboot.
I think that since iPhone is harder to mess with people tend to keep it at factory setting, so no wonder it works.
I messed around with my Galaxy S by putting custom overlays, lock screens and all that stuff. Most of the time al these customizations slowed the phone down and/or killed battery life.
But ever since I updated to Gingerbread I stopped with all that stuff. I just got the apps I use, got some wallpapers and that's it. Guess what, the phone works wonderfully. It's smooth, fast, the battery life is decent and I NEVER have to reboot.
I think that since iPhone is harder to mess with people tend to keep it at factory setting, so no wonder it works.
Originally Posted By: KrisZ
The problem with Android is that people mess with them too much, because it's so easy to mess with, and that is why they have all sorts of problems. Plus prior android versions were pretty bad.
This is a good point.
The Android platform is very inconsistent, and that's one of its biggest assets and one of its biggest detractors. On the good side, open source keeps development avenues very open and nearly anyone can develop an Android app. OEMs (Motorola, HTC, Samsung, etc) can put their overlays or skins on the OS to customize it. On the bad side, those overlays or skins are often buggy or slow. A lot of people look for devices with as close to "stock" Android as possible. I've also had a ton of apps crash (or Force Close), even stock Motorola or HTC Android apps (like the battery data screen the old Motorola I had). One of the system updates on my old Motorola broke the alarm clock, so I had to download an app for that. This is a system update from Motorola itself, and it broke part of the phone. Things like this are widely documented, and can be frustrating for users. My wife's Motorola Droid 2 was never the same after the September 2011 Gingerbread update. This is also very documented in Motorola forums. I had to factory reset her Droid 2 once very 5-6 weeks. Ridiculous.
The iPhone is very much a closed environment, the opposite of Android. And there are plusses and minuses to that as well, also nearly the opposite of Android. The open development that Android enjoys is not there on the iPhone, but at the same time, iPhones tend to be rock solid without a bunch of force closes or battery pulls to restart the phone. In fact, this is why I've been against non-removable batteries in the past. I'm used to BlackBerry Curves and Droid phones that required regular hard, battery-pull resets.
My current HTC is definitely better than any Android smartphone experience I've had. The Motorolas were not great, but HTC got it right with Sense. I understand that it's heavy on the data (I have unlimited with Verizon, so I don't really care), and can be slow. I guess the Incredible 2 has the guts to churn through it. I've been happy with our Android tablet as well, a small 7" Acer A100. It came with Gingerbread, but I upgraded it to Ice Cream Sandwich early, with a leaked Acer ROM. So far, ICS works really nice, much nicer than Gingerbread was. It's starting to be a really polished and refined OS, but still has a little ways to go compared with some of its competition.
Pros and cons to them all for sure. They're fun little devices.
The problem with Android is that people mess with them too much, because it's so easy to mess with, and that is why they have all sorts of problems. Plus prior android versions were pretty bad.
This is a good point.
The Android platform is very inconsistent, and that's one of its biggest assets and one of its biggest detractors. On the good side, open source keeps development avenues very open and nearly anyone can develop an Android app. OEMs (Motorola, HTC, Samsung, etc) can put their overlays or skins on the OS to customize it. On the bad side, those overlays or skins are often buggy or slow. A lot of people look for devices with as close to "stock" Android as possible. I've also had a ton of apps crash (or Force Close), even stock Motorola or HTC Android apps (like the battery data screen the old Motorola I had). One of the system updates on my old Motorola broke the alarm clock, so I had to download an app for that. This is a system update from Motorola itself, and it broke part of the phone. Things like this are widely documented, and can be frustrating for users. My wife's Motorola Droid 2 was never the same after the September 2011 Gingerbread update. This is also very documented in Motorola forums. I had to factory reset her Droid 2 once very 5-6 weeks. Ridiculous.
The iPhone is very much a closed environment, the opposite of Android. And there are plusses and minuses to that as well, also nearly the opposite of Android. The open development that Android enjoys is not there on the iPhone, but at the same time, iPhones tend to be rock solid without a bunch of force closes or battery pulls to restart the phone. In fact, this is why I've been against non-removable batteries in the past. I'm used to BlackBerry Curves and Droid phones that required regular hard, battery-pull resets.
My current HTC is definitely better than any Android smartphone experience I've had. The Motorolas were not great, but HTC got it right with Sense. I understand that it's heavy on the data (I have unlimited with Verizon, so I don't really care), and can be slow. I guess the Incredible 2 has the guts to churn through it. I've been happy with our Android tablet as well, a small 7" Acer A100. It came with Gingerbread, but I upgraded it to Ice Cream Sandwich early, with a leaked Acer ROM. So far, ICS works really nice, much nicer than Gingerbread was. It's starting to be a really polished and refined OS, but still has a little ways to go compared with some of its competition.
Pros and cons to them all for sure. They're fun little devices.
One of the things I dislike about stock is that carriers put a bunch of bloatware on there that can't be removed without rooting. I've flashed my last phone so many times that I lost count. It's hit or miss with ROMs, but it's key to find one from a developer who knows what he is doing. My Captivate was Samsung's first smartphone, and they did a pretty poor job with the software. An aftermarket ROM and Launcher Pro took care of that.
I put Android 4.0 on my Skyrocket a day after I got it, and can't believe how much more refined it is than Android 2.x. And my battery life actually got better with this custom ROM.
I put Android 4.0 on my Skyrocket a day after I got it, and can't believe how much more refined it is than Android 2.x. And my battery life actually got better with this custom ROM.
I've had the 4S since Feb. It's my first Apple device ever. I've always been the opposite of a "fanboy". However, I love the phone. Hate the wife's droid. Wifey got an Ipad for early Mother's Day gift (from her parents). It's also fun.
PS> Pick up an OtterBox and Zagg on ebay. You'll want to protect that pricey phone.
PS> Pick up an OtterBox and Zagg on ebay. You'll want to protect that pricey phone.
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Originally Posted By: KrisZ
The problem with Android is that people mess with them too much, because it's so easy to mess with, and that is why they have all sorts of problems. Plus prior android versions were pretty bad. . . .
I think that since iPhone is harder to mess with people tend to keep it at factory setting, so no wonder it works.
This is the classic Mac v. PC tension. To enjoy the full benefits of an Apple experience, you have to completely buy into the whole integrated "ecosystem". The hardware is very inflexible (unless you hackintosh it, but why?), and you must usually accept the environment Apple gives you. But if you are willing to sit back and let Apple take the wheel, there are usually less problems to solve and it is a very graceful existence. If you want more flexibility and more choice, then there are other options. But you must then manage the gerbil cages. Up to recently, I needed that flexibility, and tolerated the cacophony.
. . . sort of like socialism or free market society? The Empire or the Rebel Alliance? Who knows? All I know is the Apple stuff is relatively trouble-free where I've dealt with it.
While I continue with PCs, the simplicity of an Apple-based home grows more alluring. I just have less time or desire to want to deal with these machines as I get older. Life's too short to waste on this stuff.
The problem with Android is that people mess with them too much, because it's so easy to mess with, and that is why they have all sorts of problems. Plus prior android versions were pretty bad. . . .
I think that since iPhone is harder to mess with people tend to keep it at factory setting, so no wonder it works.
This is the classic Mac v. PC tension. To enjoy the full benefits of an Apple experience, you have to completely buy into the whole integrated "ecosystem". The hardware is very inflexible (unless you hackintosh it, but why?), and you must usually accept the environment Apple gives you. But if you are willing to sit back and let Apple take the wheel, there are usually less problems to solve and it is a very graceful existence. If you want more flexibility and more choice, then there are other options. But you must then manage the gerbil cages. Up to recently, I needed that flexibility, and tolerated the cacophony.
. . . sort of like socialism or free market society? The Empire or the Rebel Alliance? Who knows? All I know is the Apple stuff is relatively trouble-free where I've dealt with it.
While I continue with PCs, the simplicity of an Apple-based home grows more alluring. I just have less time or desire to want to deal with these machines as I get older. Life's too short to waste on this stuff.
Originally Posted By: kkreit01
Pick up an OtterBox and Zagg on ebay. You'll want to protect that pricey phone.
I went through three Zaggs before moving on. Expertly installed and did the 48 hr "cure" wait. Hated them all. Felt like rubber, orange peeled the display (even after a few weeks), and always peeled at the corners.
Love the tempered glass one. Doesn't peel, and feels like . . . glass.
Pick up an OtterBox and Zagg on ebay. You'll want to protect that pricey phone.
I went through three Zaggs before moving on. Expertly installed and did the 48 hr "cure" wait. Hated them all. Felt like rubber, orange peeled the display (even after a few weeks), and always peeled at the corners.
Love the tempered glass one. Doesn't peel, and feels like . . . glass.
Originally Posted By: Volvohead
While I continue with PCs, the simplicity of an Apple-based home grows more alluring. I just have less time or desire to want to deal with these machines as I get older. Life's too short to waste on this stuff.
That summarizes my recent state of mind as well. I've been a PC builder for a long time. Through high school, early work, etc. I was on a PC building thing about a year ago, and satisfied that itch by getting recycled machines at work, refurbing them, and donating them to our church.
I've got an iMac coming in the mail as well. My brother has a mid-2007 aluminum body 24" iMac that he's not using because he does his software development on two MBPs. So we'll try the iMac thing and see how it all works together. I can see our household "going Apple" as well. They're simply too easy to integrate, we're beginning to get into the things that Apple has traditionally done well (like multimedia and a friendly user interface), and we don't do any of the things that PCs traditionally excel at, like CAD, gaming, programming, etc.
So we'll see.
While I continue with PCs, the simplicity of an Apple-based home grows more alluring. I just have less time or desire to want to deal with these machines as I get older. Life's too short to waste on this stuff.
That summarizes my recent state of mind as well. I've been a PC builder for a long time. Through high school, early work, etc. I was on a PC building thing about a year ago, and satisfied that itch by getting recycled machines at work, refurbing them, and donating them to our church.
I've got an iMac coming in the mail as well. My brother has a mid-2007 aluminum body 24" iMac that he's not using because he does his software development on two MBPs. So we'll try the iMac thing and see how it all works together. I can see our household "going Apple" as well. They're simply too easy to integrate, we're beginning to get into the things that Apple has traditionally done well (like multimedia and a friendly user interface), and we don't do any of the things that PCs traditionally excel at, like CAD, gaming, programming, etc.
So we'll see.
Didn't I tell you that last time we discussed iPhone vs Android tablet? I too resisted for years getting pulled in with Apple. Even today, I hate iTunes with irrational passion but I have to hand to Apple. They really know how to do a gadget right.
Well I'm not going to completely let Apple off the hook. Now that I've used up 23 of the 32g of memory, my iphone lags and apps crash at least one or twice a day. Far more than my HTC Amaze. I read on PhoneArena that a lot of Androids crash and slowdown problems are from putting to much stuff on the removable SD cards. I suspect this is why the newer Androids no longer have expandable memory.
I also can't stand ITunes as it freezes up all the time on my work PC and the inability to do drag and drop is frustrating. Updating to iOS is also scary because I inevitable have to restore lost apps and files. So I'd say Apple has a lot of bugs but they seem to get a free pass.
I also can't stand ITunes as it freezes up all the time on my work PC and the inability to do drag and drop is frustrating. Updating to iOS is also scary because I inevitable have to restore lost apps and files. So I'd say Apple has a lot of bugs but they seem to get a free pass.
Originally Posted By: VeeDubb
I also can't stand ITunes as it freezes up all the time on my work PC and the inability to do drag and drop is frustrating. Updating to iOS is also scary because I inevitable have to restore lost apps and files. So I'd say Apple has a lot of bugs but they seem to get a free pass.
It's not a free pass, it's because of those reasons I don't have an iPhone, but Android has its own problems, so it's a wash in my mind.
I also can't stand ITunes as it freezes up all the time on my work PC and the inability to do drag and drop is frustrating. Updating to iOS is also scary because I inevitable have to restore lost apps and files. So I'd say Apple has a lot of bugs but they seem to get a free pass.
It's not a free pass, it's because of those reasons I don't have an iPhone, but Android has its own problems, so it's a wash in my mind.
Android problems are mostly user created from too much tinkering. Iphones have the most exogenous app crashes (there was a study done on this...you can find it easily with an internet search). And the newer Androids are removing SD card slots which will further improve things. And itunes is absolutely horrible. I have never owned software including beta versions that freeze this much. And I have nothing against Apple. I invest in their stock but my personal experience as a consumer has been better with Android.
This is straying off-topic I guess, but what is it about iTunes you don't like much? I've been using it for a few years now to manage my music collection on my Windows PC (both on XP and with upgrade to 7). I think it's more intuitive and easier to use than either the Zune or basic Windows Media Player software. It also keeps the library on the hard drive better organized.
I haven't had any troubles with it crashing, but do wish it would load faster. I have 3,357 songs in my library (20.21 GB as reported by iTunes).
I don't even buy anything from iTunes online. I just like it as the music media manager.
I haven't had any troubles with it crashing, but do wish it would load faster. I have 3,357 songs in my library (20.21 GB as reported by iTunes).
I don't even buy anything from iTunes online. I just like it as the music media manager.
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Originally Posted By: VeeDubb
I also can't stand ITunes as it freezes up all the time on my work PC and the inability to do drag and drop is frustrating. Updating to iOS is also scary because I inevitable have to restore lost apps and files. So I'd say Apple has a lot of bugs but they seem to get a free pass.
It's not a free pass, it's because of those reasons I don't have an iPhone, but Android has its own problems, so it's a wash in my mind.
Ive never had any of those issues. Ive never lost an app or file/picture/item even when changing devices. iTunes works just fine as well.
Originally Posted By: VeeDubb
I also can't stand ITunes as it freezes up all the time on my work PC and the inability to do drag and drop is frustrating. Updating to iOS is also scary because I inevitable have to restore lost apps and files. So I'd say Apple has a lot of bugs but they seem to get a free pass.
It's not a free pass, it's because of those reasons I don't have an iPhone, but Android has its own problems, so it's a wash in my mind.
Ive never had any of those issues. Ive never lost an app or file/picture/item even when changing devices. iTunes works just fine as well.
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