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Originally Posted By: buster
German engineering.
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Yes, definitely the German engineer's fault that people refuse to read their manuals and that the oil change places are daft enough not to check the oil specs for a vehicle as well.......
 
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: buster
German engineering.
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Yes, definitely the German engineer's fault that people refuse to read their manuals and that the oil change places are daft enough not to check the oil specs for a vehicle as well.......


Incompetence is a completely different topic.
 
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Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: buster
German engineering.
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Yes, definitely the German engineer's fault that people refuse to read their manuals and that the oil change places are daft enough not to check the oil specs for a vehicle as well.......


Incompetence is a completely different topic.


Yes, but how can one fault the engineering for consumer and mechanic/lube jockey incompetence?

Obviously, the problem does not exist in Europe, so the engineering was just fine. It was the embracing (or complete lack thereof) of the requirements of that engineering on this side of the pond that causes the issue.....
 
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Obviously, the problem does not exist in Europe


For various reasons.

Take any car to a truly remote 3rd world location and you may have a comparison to how easy it is (or was) to find VW spec'd oil when the issues started showing themselves. ..or to easily get VW service over the broad expanse of their sales penetration.

I guess you could blame people for not thinking about how they were going to practically service the things when the dealer was probably 50+ miles away.

How many people here take their car to the dealer that they bought their car from for service if it's 50 miles away ..and suppose you can't get an appointment for 3 weeks due to such a mismatch between capacity and demand for service...etc..etc..etc?

If I bought a VW (thinking) I would have to have it serviced in Reading (28 miles away) ..or Devon (about 25 miles away). Not easy unless I was also working at either location.


Maybe an IQ test would be warranted. "Can you effectively get service at an authorized agency after the sale? YES/NO?"
 
The competence of the public is what it is. The entire car buying public is not going to change just because VW ups the complexity of their vehicles. I have to question the competence of a car company that designs and sells a vehicle more complex than the public can handle.
 
Originally Posted By: TooManyWheels
The [in]competence of the [American] public [at large] is what it is.

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Originally Posted By: buster
I don't think any of their engines are all that great either.

Their 2-liter turbo has been on Ward's 10 Best Engines list for the past 4 years. Granted, I don't think they take the ease of maintenance into account when coming up with this list. BMW's dipstick-less engine is on that list as well.
 
Ford's fascination with long strings of alpha-numeric designations?? I give up, what? It appears to be somewhere back in SJ range..
 
I didn't quite get that impression with mori's quiz here. I figured he was showing us how oblivious we are to just about everything. The fact that our engineers know the public that they're selling to is the only thing that saves them from a VW'esque result. Not that Ford doesn't do enough of their own sabotage with a laundry list of put in production defects that probably makes VW/AUDI sales smaller in terms of $$.
 
Yup. Let's just ask all car manufacturers to produce one type of engine for their entire lineup and never ever update its design so that we can just have one Ford oil, one Honda oil, one GM oil, etc. This ought to help the easily confused.
 
Originally Posted By: wavinwayne
QP,
Will I be able to use the Honda oil in my GM?

No. The Honda oil bottle will have a different spout shape that will only allow you to dispense the fluid into a Honda engine.
 
Originally Posted By: cven
I agree Mori. In my mind all these special specs are bunk. When will it stop?


You misunderstood me. I was trying to point out that most or even all car makers have their own oil requirements and specs. And why shouldn't they? After all they are the ones most familiar with their engine designs. Some car manufacturers may opt for a simple "meets API SM" requirement, others may elect something more specific for optimum performance.

Why people want something like oil requirements dumbed down and not tailored to a particular engine is beyond me. If "good enuff" is all you want, what are you even doing on an oil forum where pedantic oilheads count "wear" particles by the part per million and compare viscosities to 0.1 cSt?
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Is VW now only selling to confirmed BITOG members?

If they are selling a more technical product to the public, if they want it maintained properly then it is their responsibility to communicate effectively how that is done. Burying an arcane spec in the manual, in with the normally ignored instructions like "this is the accelerator, this is the brake", and maybe putting that spec on the oil filler cap, is not effective communication. If it were, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
 
Half of the Dealers put the wrong oil in stuff. That tells me something is wrong with this situation. Many of these VWs that had problems were serviced at a dealer and needed a $6000.00 motor at 35-50,000 miles. (from what I've read)

With the quality of oils today there should be no need for more than a handfull of specs. IMO
 
American VW dealers need to get the key to the Enigma. Until then they won't be able to pick the right oil.
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Originally Posted By: moribundman
American VW dealers need to get the key to the Enigma. Until then they won't be able to pick the right oil.
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I think they've already got a machine to make those keys at the dealer. Very expensive..
 
When I worked at a Walmart Tire and Lube Express, I remember a 1.8T Passat coming in, smoking and 'knocking' a bit. Open up the filler cap, and just filled with black junk.

Oil that was put in? Bulk YB 5w30...and the sticker indicated there was about 10k miles on the last fill of this oil...
 
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