Why the huge obsession with adding MMO?

[Spyder7]

Originally Posted By: Capa
Purelux, the people that are saying that you don't need gas or oil additives are saying this BECAUSE all gas and oil already has additives.
Since I use synthetic oil, I personally wouldn't put another additive in the oil. However, even though I do use top tier gas, I go ahead and add an additive to the fuel once or twice a year though I will admit I haven't seen an increase in MPG when I have done this.


Very little additive in even top tier gas. Maybe enough to offset fuel contamination, but nothing to lube the upper cylinder. This is useful to offset the ethanol content. Some use MMO for this, others Lucas. I like tc-w3.

Edit: you may have a point about oil, though taken to its logical conclusion, one would wonder why there are the differences there are among oils that have the same grade and API certification. As all oils have additives, and they are all sufficient, why then are the additive packages so different.

-Spyder

 

[3311]

Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: 3311

Did you really mean to say "4 to 6 times the mileage"
?


Originally Posted By: demarpaint

Interesting I'd love to hear more about it.


I could write a book, but the truck powered cleaning equipment we run uses the engine as a power and heat source. It is not uncommon to see these trucks for sale with 50k miles and a new engine!

I own one that is worked daily at almost 400k miles and another with 250k miles. Neither smokes, leaks or uses any oil.

My bad, I thought you were talking mpg, duh .

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: Spyder7
As all oils have additives, and they are all sufficient, why then are the additive packages so different.

-Spyder



I look at it this way. All oils are blended to a price point, remember profit always comes first. Some companies make better oils than others. The base stock, and add pack used in the oil is always top secret.

IMO if an oil company can find an additive that might save them a nickle on a qt, not be quite as good as what they were using, and still be within API specs, they'll use it. I'm not the only person who feels this way.

 

[Spyder7]

I agree about the profit point. My point was more that the guy I replied to seemed to be saying that the mere fact that oil has additives, is proof that oil needs no further additives - clearly that is refuted by the difference in additive packages among the oil manufacturers.

The way I see it, with oil, as with so many other things in life, there is no one size fits all. Too many variables in their application for this to hold true. I would go even a step further than MMO, and say that if you could decipher the additives used, and how well they blend with other additives, one could home brew something superior to at least most of the prepackaged stuff - in so far as their own application goes.

Although thats a topic that is much more controversial here than MMO. BTW, by this I dont mean blindly mixing oils. I mean doing the research into it the oils and how they behave individually from UOAs first. But thats off topic and not a popular subject.

-Spyder

 

[SteveSRT8]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Interesting, thanks for posting. Are you using MMO in oil and gas? At what rate?
Thanks!


We routinely add mmo, generally in the last 500 miles before a change. Our trucks usually light the OLM at about 4500 miles due to lots of stationary operation at 1600-2000 rpm.

I put it in the fuel too, but in very small doses, and not at all regularly. Just 4 oz or so in 30+ gallons. I have added a whole quart if I feel a symptom warrants it.

 

[Panzerman]

Again, entirely a huge conversation started over not experiences good or bad, but critisism for useing a product that the critisizers have no experience of ever trying. I use MMO regularly, have no problems with it, I use in the engine oil and fuel of my car and truck as well in all my two strokes and small engines. I talked to multiple car restorers and engine builders that endorse the product, not because they are paid too, its because its on their shelf. The one even stated it is the "BOMB". I have used it in the engine oil for a full interval oil change, without zero problems and the oil turned blacker than without, so this is a good thing. I have seen uoa with it and they looked good. Most if not everyone that uses it, is happy with the results. I will never comment on anything or any product unless I have tried, I may ask about a product, but I will not condemn it without firsthand experiences. Maybe you should try something before mounting a hypothetical witchhunt on a product that you truley have NO EXPERIENCE WITH.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Interesting, thanks for posting. Are you using MMO in oil and gas? At what rate?
Thanks!


We routinely add mmo, generally in the last 500 miles before a change. Our trucks usually light the OLM at about 4500 miles due to lots of stationary operation at 1600-2000 rpm.

I put it in the fuel too, but in very small doses, and not at all regularly. Just 4 oz or so in 30+ gallons. I have added a whole quart if I feel a symptom warrants it.


Thanks for the info!

 

[Lethal1ty17]

seems like all of the naysayers who havent even used it are outnumbered by those who have with positive experiences

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: Lethal1ty17
seems like all of the naysayers who havent even used it are outnumbered by those who have with positive experiences


It usually plays out that way.

 

[prax]

Originally Posted By: Panzerman
Again, entirely a huge conversation started over not experiences good or bad, but critisism for useing a product that the critisizers have no experience of ever trying. I use MMO regularly, have no problems with it, I use in the engine oil and fuel of my car and truck as well in all my two strokes and small engines. I talked to multiple car restorers and engine builders that endorse the product, not because they are paid too, its because its on their shelf. The one even stated it is the "BOMB". I have used it in the engine oil for a full interval oil change, without zero problems and the oil turned blacker than without, so this is a good thing. I have seen uoa with it and they looked good. Most if not everyone that uses it, is happy with the results. I will never comment on anything or any product unless I have tried, I may ask about a product, but I will not condemn it without firsthand experiences. Maybe you should try something before mounting a hypothetical witchhunt on a product that you truley have NO EXPERIENCE WITH.


Silly reasoning. Nobody has to use a product to criticize it. Remember Synlube?

 

[FZ1]

Some of us just don't think Shell,Mobil,etc., left anything,necessary,out of their gasoline or oil.

 

[Spyder7]

They did though. Since they're blended differently (different base stocks, different add packs), each has chosen to leave out something the other chose to put in. Or to use different amounts of whatever. Else they'd all be identical - but they're not.

-Spyder

 

[sxg6]

If you want to use MMO on a neglected vehicle with known issues, fine. But you could not pay me to put that stuff in my 2009 that gets regular oil changes with quality oil. As for the fuel system, I use red line si-1 every 15k or so. I also fully admit that even if I did not use additives in my fuel system, the vehicle would probably have a very long, trouble-free life. My biggest concern with MMO is the long term effects on your engine if you leave it in for an extended period of time. You may have had great short term results, but what about the long run? You may not experience catastrophic damage such as a blown engine, but there may be other detrimental effects that you can not see.


Originally Posted By: Spyder7
They did though. Since they're blended differently (different base stocks, different add packs), each has chosen to leave out something the other chose to put in. Or to use different amounts of whatever. Else they'd all be identical - but they're not.

-Spyder


You're nitpicking. Of course different grades are blended differently, so what? That does not mean they're blended in a sub-par fashion.

 

[Familyguy]

Originally Posted By: Hemi426
Today's engine oils don't need anything added to their chemistry yet every post has someone adding it to their oil or even their gas.


In a clean engine, I wouldn't add a drop. I've had good experience with it cleaning sludge and freeing up sticky lifters on engines that were previously neglected.

Best,

 

[demarpaint]

I have a college buddy who was turned on to MMO by his father back in the 1970s when he started driving. His dad, who is now in his 80's has been adding a full qt of MMO to each and every OCI since the late 1940s IIRC. My friend has been doing the exact same thing since the 1970s. I replaced a VC gasket for him on a Toyota with somewhere near 200,000 miles on it. That engine was spotless, and didn't burn a drop of oil.

In a recent conversation we had he told me he changes his oil twice a year using dino oil and MMO typically logging about 12,000 miles a year. The few UOA reports on this site with the addition of MMO were all quite good. I honestly doubt it damages an engine.

For those who are afraid, stand clear of it.

 

[FZ1]

So,then,MMO,"myseriously",provides the "left out somethings" across the board for every brand of oil,.........and gasoline, you stick the MMO in? Further,the chemistry of the MMO'd product,whether gas.... or..... oil,where ever found......whenever found.........is never altered from what the OEM intended by the addition of the MMO? Really, I'm shocked that no Nobel Prize has been awarded to MMO for this Scientific feat,aren't you?

 

[Gary Allan]

Well, I'd just say "never had a problem with it" can't quite be turned around to meaning something has benefit. The lack of deposits doesn't mean that it prevented them. We've seen plenty of spotless engines with nothing but regular oil changes.

If you're satisfied with what you're doing ..continue to do it.

 

[Familyguy]

Originally Posted By: FZ1
Look,boys. You don't stick foreign objects in your eye,do you? So don't stick foreign objects in your engine. Really,how hard is that?


Cue the wife/girlfriend jokes.

 

[Spyder7]

I didn't say they were. Just that they're obviously not all the same because each manufacturer chooses to leave something out, or to use less of it. Its not nitpicking. Its a simple refutation to the supposition that none of the manufacturers left anything out, therefore no justification to put anything in.

The premise is false, therefore the conclusion must also be false.

You might not like that, and you can call it what you want. If you want to call it what it is though, then that would be a logical refutation of a fallacy.

Fallacies aren't very persuasive.

-Spyder

 

[StevieC]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I have a college buddy who was turned on to MMO by his father back in the 1970s when he started driving. His dad, who is now in his 80's has been adding a full qt of MMO to each and every OCI since the late 1940s IIRC. My friend has been doing the exact same thing since the 1970s. I replaced a VC gasket for him on a Toyota with somewhere near 200,000 miles on it. That engine was spotless, and didn't burn a drop of oil.

In a recent conversation we had he told me he changes his oil twice a year using dino oil and MMO typically logging about 12,000 miles a year. The few UOA reports on this site with the addition of MMO were all quite good. I honestly doubt it damages an engine.

For those who are afraid, stand clear of it.


Frank thanks for posting this... Because you are one of the people I trust it just helps to reassure me that this product is as excellent as I thought.

I'm of the opinion though, if and engine is clean and well maintained its not needed in the oil, but the fuel for sure.

I like to use MMO in the oil for engines that need a clean-up and then maintain them with high quality oils alone.

But it's good to know what great effects it has on dino oil especially considering engines from the 70's/80's saw anything but quality oils due to the lacking technology at the time.