Why the huge obsession with adding MMO?

[Spyder7]

Originally Posted By: c3po
Originally Posted By: Vizzy
It's called stealth marketing....what I believe you are seeing here on BITOG is a very well done job of having PR and marketing agents posing as ordinary forum members who likely in fact work for MMO...

They create a "monkey see, monkey do" mentality..thus since you see so many supposed forum members claiming they are using MMO that other monkeys will jump on the band wagon.


I really think we are seeing members here who are using MMO and just posting there results, there are NO PAID POSTERS like we have seen with other oil additives on this FORUM.

Nobody here has to use MMO, members are reading posts on this Forum and making up there own minds.


+1. The only freebie I've ever gotten from anything car related was the $100 coupon book I won last week in the current CT online fuels & additives promo.

And its not even really a "freebie" since the coupons will probably only be 10-20% off regular prices. But since any kind of rebate on fuel related things is a rare thing this side of the border, I still consider it a score (even if it doesn't turn up in the mail until November).

-Spyder

 

[Gary Allan]

While my comments weren't pointed at MMO necessarily, one has to recognize a religion when one sees it. Those things rarely naturally occur. Naturally occurring stuff like that is much more subtle ...quiet ..brief ..and lacks obsession and dedication. You'll get a fanatic or two on anything.

I mean, does anyone hear REALLY think that MMO is the greatest creation since sliced bread? Wouldn't most rational people just simply say that they've found a few good uses for it? Would they engage in para-campaigns for the stuff just for no good reason, would they?

How about M1? Now that can sorta be called a revolutionary product ..35+ years ago. Any reason for anyone to "promote" it? Wouldn't they just quietly say that they like the product ..and move on? In fact, wouldn't they eventually tire of repeatedly reciting the same rhetoric in some hope of getting someone else to use it too? Why would they do this? Why would they want to work that hard for a "product"? Now if they made it, worked for those who did, or whatever ..fine. But just what form of satisfaction would someone gain for getting someone to join "The Legion of M1"? Do you get a decoder ring if you bring in so many converts at the M1 rally?

Now I DO have good cause to promote and campaign for the use of a line of lubricants.

 

[demarpaint]

I guess the same could be said for A-Rx, and Amsoil, even by those who don't sell the stuff.

Have a look at this title: Why the huge obsession with adding MMO? Captivating isn't? I knew the outcome of this as soon as I saw the title, but I took a shot anyway. It is calling the MMO users out as well as the anti's, a perfect title to do exactly that. Then someone posts something accusing MMO users as working for the company and there you have it. Now if you toss a personality like mine into the mix BINGO.

BTW I don't care for M1 but in a recent thread in the UOA section I complimented the product, and in another thread suggested it to a member.

Is MMO the greatest creation since sliced bread, nope, but it works as advertised and that appears to be upsetting to many here. I'd be the last person in the world adding something to my gas or oil that would ruin my engine. I keep my cars too long.

 

[saberz]

Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
While my comments weren't pointed at MMO necessarily, one has to recognize a religion when one sees it. Those things rarely naturally occur. Naturally occurring stuff like that is much more subtle ...quiet ..brief ..and lacks obsession and dedication. You'll get a fanatic or two on anything.

I mean, does anyone hear REALLY think that MMO is the greatest creation since sliced bread? Wouldn't most rational people just simply say that they've found a few good uses for it? Would they engage in para-campaigns for the stuff just for no good reason, would they?

How about M1? Now that can sorta be called a revolutionary product ..35+ years ago. Any reason for anyone to "promote" it? Wouldn't they just quietly say that they like the product ..and move on? In fact, wouldn't they eventually tire of repeatedly reciting the same rhetoric in some hope of getting someone else to use it too? Why would they do this? Why would they want to work that hard for a "product"? Now if they made it, worked for those who did, or whatever ..fine. But just what form of satisfaction would someone gain for getting someone to join "The Legion of M1"? Do you get a decoder ring if you bring in so many converts at the M1 rally?

Now I DO have good cause to promote and campaign for the use of a line of lubricants.


Thats the thing though, there doesn't "need" to be a reason. We are human beings, we are spur of the moment. We are easily manipulated into following one thing and then another. Our opinions allow our decisions to be different though.

A legion of M1 fans and a legion of Shell/Pennzoil fans. One mans belief is another's reason of disbelief.

 

[saberz]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I guess the same could be said for A-Rx, and Amsoil, even by those who don't sell the stuff.

Have a look at this title: Why the huge obsession with adding MMO? Captivating isn't? I knew the outcome of this as soon as I saw the title, but I took a shot anyway. It is calling the MMO users out as well as the anti's, a perfect title to do exactly that. Then someone posts something accusing MMO users as working for the company and there you have it. Now if you toss a personality like mine into the mix BINGO.

BTW I don't care for M1 but in a recent thread in the UOA section I complimented the product, and in another thread suggested it to a member.

Is MMO the greatest creation since sliced bread, nope, but it works as advertised and that appears to be upsetting to many here. I'd be the last person in the world adding something to my gas or oil that would ruin my engine. I keep my cars too long.


You are correct. MMO just "works". I've tried products like ZMAX(yes I was a nub back then) and all these other products and MMO actually took the cake. Oil cap on the Xterra when purchased was cleaned up in a very short period of time with it, engine was more responsive with it. MPG's increased slightly(seemed the X liked A LOT of it).

Wife's Grand AM cleared up some rough engine stutter. I haven't used it in the 6 yet, poured some Seafoam in to clean up the fuel gauge which it did(car was saying I could go 450 miles on a tank of fuel at fill up, um...no) Should be around 300/310 miles with my city/short driving. Cleared it up.

 

[saberz]

I will add though. I don't recommend it, or hold it on a pedestal. I will mention it for people having certain problems(consumption issues/stuck rings), sludging even after ARX runs etc(not slamming Arx), but the people who tried everything and then see this $3 bottle and don't give it a chance. It's to "cheap" to work, and it works better than many of the other expensive stuff.

 

[SteveSRT8]

MMO is credible due to the time it has been on the market.

Its sheer longevity is amazing.

We use it in a fleet, and we routinely run vehicles 4 to 6 times the mileage experienced by others in our field. It is one of many tricks we employ.

 

[3311]

Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
MMO is credible due to the time it has been on the market.

Its sheer longevity is amazing.

We use it in a fleet, and we routinely run vehicles 4 to 6 times the mileage experienced by others in our field. It is one of many tricks we employ.


Did you really mean to say "4 to 6 times the mileage"
?

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
MMO is credible due to the time it has been on the market.

Its sheer longevity is amazing.

We use it in a fleet, and we routinely run vehicles 4 to 6 times the mileage experienced by others in our field. It is one of many tricks we employ.


Interesting I'd love to hear more about it.

 

[buickman50401]

Originally Posted By: Anies
It's to "cheap" to work, and it works better than many of the other expensive stuff.


I think that's a large part of it. Its something like $3.47 for a quart of it at Walmart and $12 for a gallon. Going by the recommended 4oz/10gal you can run 5 tanks of gas through an average vehicle using only one bottle and walk away with at the very least cleaner injectors.

I'm used it the past month to clear up a rough idle on my Taurus. 3 tanks with 7oz/tank took care of the problem. I've got 12oz of it in the crankcase right now to clean out the engine before the next oil change in 500mi. Within 1 day of adding MMO the oil turned noticeably darker indicating it is doing something for the engine internals.

I've used it in the past to clean up a 4.0L Cherokee with 150k miles on the clock. Took care of the blowby likely caused from the horrible maintenance the vehicle had over its lifetime.

So yes, while people say, "It does nothing," there are clearly many here who have used it successfully over the years for specific purposes. Its not a miracle, but dollar for dollar it works as well or better than many more expensive products on the market.

 

[Steve S]

I am 57 and MMO has been around as long as I remember.

 

[Gary Allan]

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Thats the thing though, there doesn't "need" to be a reason.


Here I tend to disagree. Everyone gets something out of everything that they do. Even someone who does apparently selfless acts is seeking the feeling of generosity or whatever feelings it inspires within them.

That's why I'm still curious about the behaviors. Now I find filters really neat and find all kinds of ways to use them. I like oil coolers and thermostats and nifty neat complex items that accomplish nothing more than allowing me to sit there and watch them (imagine them) doing their little ditty.

So while I'd have a whole lot to say on the topic (as valid or corrupt as the view may be), I doubt that I would be on (what could be called) a "quest" to add members to the ....what

League of Rube Goldberg disciples?? Something akin to the Dead Poets Society??

I mean, it appears more like empire building in recruitment ..'cept no one is allegedly following any Sith ..so to speak

 

[Avgas]

I use MMO in every fill up both in my car and motorcycle, but about half the recommended dosage seems to work better here. Placebo doesn't work on me. MMO makes all these things run smooth and strong. Only regret is not using it sooner.

Funny, most of the skeptics and haters are people that haven't used it.

Try to be open minded, this stuff doesn't just benefit aircraft from the 1930's using leaded gas.

 

[Summerwind]

I use MMO with each fill-up in my '88 Cutlass (TCW3 2cyl in my Merc) My Olds seems smoother on it, excellent pickup, and the old girl still is getting 26 mpg on combined in-town and 70mph hwy driving-with the A/C on

 

[purelux]

To the people saying you don't need gas or oil addatives where are you getting these addative free gasoiline and oils, homemade? All automotive gasoline and oils have additives in them. Granted newer oil and gas is much better than in years past but that's not to say it can't be improved. Oil I do agree regular maintnance makes most oils more than adequate. Fuel though could use a hand espically since 10% minimum or higher ethanol gasoline is virtually everywhere. While mmo does clean somewhat and prevent buildup it does lubricate well.

 

[Capa]

I have used MMO and it did nothing for my car and with the van I lost some MPG. I used it in the fuel for both vehicles but also added it in the oil for the car. Both cars got a lot more out of Seafoam and Chevron in the gas tank than MMO. However, to be fair, MMO is a lot cheaper (if only it worked for me).

 

[Capa]

Purelux, the people that are saying that you don't need gas or oil additives are saying this BECAUSE all gas and oil already has additives.
Since I use synthetic oil, I personally wouldn't put another additive in the oil. However, even though I do use top tier gas, I go ahead and add an additive to the fuel once or twice a year though I will admit I haven't seen an increase in MPG when I have done this.

 

[meb]

Perhaps a properly maintained eninge will not benefit from MMO. But we occasionally run into a motor that was cared for by a person or serveral persons that filled the gas tank and that's it.

It is also clear that some engines - 2.0 VW FSI - have some problems with regard to deposits. Sea foam, MMO, BG, Techtron...are these all crack pot solutions?

Unfortunately we have no hard data to support any claims about any of the above but we also have no data supporting otherwise. We do have what might be really good anecdotal epxerience and that is perhaps all we will get. I've used MMO 3-4 times in 36 years of car experience and in those instances the sludge and deposits were fairly quickly and almost entirely removed - visual inspection.

That's all I have...but I can also write that after my daughter stopped using some off the shelf unkown name oil with a horrid flash point in her VW with 200K miles on and began using mobil 1 TDT her engine stopped using a quart of oil every 4-5 days - about 100 miles fo driving

So who knows...oil selection, maintenance and driving style varies with each consumer making an argument - sorry, debate - inevitable.

 

[SteveSRT8]

Originally Posted By: 3311

Did you really mean to say "4 to 6 times the mileage"
?


Originally Posted By: demarpaint

Interesting I'd love to hear more about it.


I could write a book, but the truck powered cleaning equipment we run uses the engine as a power and heat source. It is not uncommon to see these trucks for sale with 50k miles and a new engine!

I own one that is worked daily at almost 400k miles and another with 250k miles. Neither smokes, leaks or uses any oil.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: 3311

Did you really mean to say "4 to 6 times the mileage"
?


Originally Posted By: demarpaint

Interesting I'd love to hear more about it.


I could write a book, but the truck powered cleaning equipment we run uses the engine as a power and heat source. It is not uncommon to see these trucks for sale with 50k miles and a new engine!

I own one that is worked daily at almost 400k miles and another with 250k miles. Neither smokes, leaks or uses any oil.


Interesting, thanks for posting. Are you using MMO in oil and gas? At what rate?

Thanks!