Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
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Right, but my point is that the results people see from MMO are hard to quantify. Its like the improvements I saw after using Regane - I can't measure them, I just know it worked. This was the first time any PEA based cleaner was used on this car though, so any of them would have produced similar results. Regane just happened to be the easiest to obtain here.
Sure. I'm just being difficult (it can be a meat grinder in here)
I really don't have anything against the stuff ..especially in fuel.
Unlike oil, fuel ..hmmm..how can I word this without stepping on myself???
Even top tier fuel can manage a few liabilities to it in some instances. Fuel is a "globally managed" commodity, by that I mean mostly generic with some minor distinctions in end vendor additives.
So, there's work to be done for the end user in some cases, your reference to REGANE containing PEA, being a good example. You probably won't see any more MPG with using PEA, but drivability and reduction in knocking ..starting issues ..misdiagnosed piston slap due to CCDI ...etc..etc.
I guess I'd say that there's a sizable minority that can gain benefit from using such agents.
Oil is a different animal ..for me anyway. When stuff like Rislone and MMO started out, the consumer (before the term existed) had choices that were probably ND SAE 20 and ND 30. Even through the 70's the fundamentals of lubricating oils were pretty primitive. Stone knives and bear skins.
Now I can choose from a very broad selection of high quality oils from multiple producers that are so far ahead of typical needs curve it's not even funny.
There will always be exceptions. If you've got some exceptional circumstance, then you take exceptional measures.
What people need to NOT turn that around into ..is that they're getting added benefit when there's no need to begin with.
You can't get above ZERO ..which is where you start (and typically stay ..within some standard deviation), you can only combat negatives.
Well stated. You hit the nail head on with my Regane usage: while some might not see any benefit from it (and few the same benefits I saw), in my case there was a definite need for the application of a product like Regane. It delivered because there was a decade's worth of deposits built up in the neglected combustion chamber and fuel system that the PEA chewed through and spat out.
With MMO I have a definite application in mind for it (actually two: one as an oil additive for the last 500 miles of my next two OCIs, to combat sludge build up; the second as a piston soak to try and free up sticky piston rings that another member here has detailed well). While there are other methods to achieve the same goals, this is the product that I believe can do both in a manner that appeals to me the most.
MMO won't be used by itself in the first application above. It'll be used in conjunction with a high quality, high detergency oil as an additive for the last 500 miles before the short 3k OCI is over and its all drained out. Probably I could achieve the same results, in that particular application, with just the same engine oil I intend to use and the same short OCIs. I'm adding MMO because I think it can help speed the process along a bit, and still do it safely.
I might feel different if the car had the same mileage on it and I was the only owner and person who had maintained it. But I wasn't, it came with a few kinks, and I think MMO is useful for eliminating some of them. Its relatively cheap, safe, and worth a shot IMHO.
-Spyder
