1. Yes I have UOA’s. I was involved in a lawsuit over it. I’ve also been involved with many other Rotella shearing issues. I do have some pictures of main bearings from a major bus line that had several Rotella failures. As we went through a tear down there.
What lawsuit? Where was it filed? Was it settled out of court? If not, what was the outcome? I'd like to hear about the results.
Where's the UOA data from the failed bearings, etc?
What other "Rotella shearing issues" are you referring to?
In another post, you answered about the buses also having extended OCIs; is that correct? What data exists to show that other brands (Delo, Delvac, etc) would have not sheared under those same circumstances? What you said was that they shortened the OCIs and then went to T5; is that right? So, how do you know that Delvac or Delo would have not also sheared under those same initial conditions which caused the failure(s)? Were they doing UOAs along the way? How did they end up with so many ruined bus engines? Sounds to me like they were not properly monitoring the UOA data. I'm wondering if these failures were not so much lube related, but a failure to properly monitor extended OCIs?
2. It’s pretty clear to me their marketing is misleading. It might not be to you, but that’s marketing. Everyone sees it differently.
What Rotella marketing claims are specifically "misleading"? If it's clear to you, then by all means, expressly describe it, please. Provide the links to the marketing, and show what it is you find to be misleading. And, then show me how that contrasts to the other brands; which I presume you imply that they are are not misleading. What I'm asking for is for you to be specific about the misleading claims you believe to be falsely represented by Rotella.
3. If you call that market priced, you’re in need of more market pricing research. As, I don’t think it’s anywhere in normal market price vs quality. (Exception being T6.)
If I call "what" market priced? I never gave a dollar value for anything. What I said is that, ignoring regional sales pushes, Rotella falls inline with the other major brands in long term pricing strategy. In any given month, Rotella, Delo, Delvac, VPB, etc all have sales pushes that end up making one brand less expensive than another. What I was referencing is that the major HDEO makers typically compete in the same markets, and so they cannot afford to be unaffordable for long, lest they lose market share.
4. If you think SOPUS has been the same group for decades, then who’s still there in their lubricants department these days? Everyone I know has jumped ship and moved on. I could name names, but I prefer not to Dox people. And it’s also frowned upon on this site.
Employees change jobs due to all manner of reasons. That's not the inference I took from your initial complaint in your previous post. How does SOPUS employee retention relate to consumer loyalty at the shelf at Walmart??? You've lost me here.
5. This is the internet. Welcome to opinions. We all have them. I have my proof, it would require me to opsec myself, and to reveal alot of the inner workings I see in the lubricants business.
You may have the proof, but you haven't posted it here for us to see; you've not backed up your claims. It's easy to stand behind anonymity and make bold claims. I understand that perhaps you don't have the ability to reveal where you work; no one wants you to risk losing employment. But without the data to back you up, it's just hearsay at this point.
6. I’m glad you have 30,000 samples in your database. We do that in a few months between all our oil analysis labs. Whether it’s Predictive, Polaris, what we send to majors, what we send to blenders, etc. Let alone the tens of thousands of retains we have. Both VoA and UoA retains.
Can you share that data? And more importantly, does it show correlation to your claims regarding the claim of Rotella shearing and the failures you reference above?
7. It seems like you’re tainted too, coming out and attacking an opinion. Pretty foul way to converse overall, in my opinion. If you wanted to have a conversation, I could support my opinion. But you don’t, you want to attack and try to flex your 30,000 samples or what not. Congratulations, I’m glad you have those. That’s very good, oil analysis is great. More people should do it.
If I come off "tainted" then I haven't done a good job communicating my interests. I value data-driven investigations and decisions. When people make claims, I want to see the basis for the position. Often things are anecdotal; a sample size of one or a few. That's not enough to convince me of large scale concerns regarding oil shearing, as you imply.
This is strictly my opinion on the product. Which is what OP asked for. Take it for what it’s worth. This is the internet.
Edit: Much to many people’s dismays, I don’t hate SOPUS. The other side of my family is the largest SOPUS joint venture in the U.S. We have also purchased 9? Shell distributors in 20 years.
I think what I object to regarding your position is that you made a lot of large, sweeping accusations with no data presented to back up your claims. That's typical of the internet conversations, for sure. I don't think anyone has any "dismay" about your love or hate for SOPUS; I doubt anyone here is that deeply vested into your opinion as to be dismayed. It's not that your opinions are invalid; it's just that they're unproven to us here at BITOG. What your family does really doesn't interest.
Help me, and others, understand these bus failures; tell us the specifics about the lawsuit and evidence presented therein, relative to Rotella and it's "shearing" and "misleading marketing".
I'm not trying to taunt or troll you; I apologize if it comes off that way. What I want to see is the real data to backup your claims.
