Interesting, I did not know this and just to add a point to a thread wayyyy back somewhere regarding my mentioning about Richard Petty using Schaeffer in his race car, he did but I just found out that he wanted $2,000,000 from Schaeffer to have giant Schaeffer wraps on his car. Schaeffer refused but if you look very closely, there is a small Schaeffer decal on each side of his car.
That seals the deal for me.
Much like "used by NASA on the Space Shuttle", those types of claims are useless. Hard to confirm but who knows where they might even be used. The company might have a small contract to provide lubricant for a door switch, and yet qualify for the statement.
People get gaga over such a claim when it means nothing. Just because it is used by NASA or the military doesn't mean it is highly stressed or showing any sort of superior properties.
Also note the guy is a dealer so this is primarily a product promotion and without any specific performance claim.
Well, I just responded to 4WD's post regarding customizing the Mobil 1 for racing applications so that backs up my previous remark about Mobil 1 on Walmart's shelves. The other thing that really bugs me, never mentioned here ever I believe is this Dexos 1 and Dexos D BS. Whoever devised at GM this Dexos gig should be given a HUGE bonus. It is a brilliant marketing ploy to confuse the uneducated to believe you have to only use a Dexos labelled oil bottle to safeguard your warranty. Both Schaeffer and Amsoil and I'm sure others refuse to pay GM to have their oils certified as being Dexos compliant. I have argued constantly with members on other forums who won't use a non certified Dexos oil out of fear that their engine won't be warranted should it go South. Not only does the Magnuson Moss act protect Joe Consumer but I have checked with 2 area dealers and GM corporate that warranty will be honored should a non certified oil is found out as long as it meets the Dexos specs. 1 dealer told me they've replaced engines with no oil showing on the dipstick. Ok, rant over.
My local welding shop sells it at $13 per quart. I’d be all over it at $8 per quart.
Please show me where I said anything disparaging about Mobil oil because I did NOT. "Actual technical reasons"? If you want to compare TD sheets that would be fine.
“TD sheets” wouldn’t mean anything to me in terms of performance.
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Magnuson Moss just means that GM can't force you to use a specific GM-branded product without providing it for free. It in no way prevents GM from requiring you use a product, that's widely available, that meets a minimum material standard, usually indicated by an OE approval.
How about we start with you answering my first question.
You haven't paid attention to everything I said obviously. I know all about the MM Act, so you're preaching to the choir here. I was stating that GM can NOT force a consumer to use a Dexos branded or on the Dexos official list oil . Warranty will be honored if that "unofficial" oil meets Dexos specs should a problem arise. That is fact.
Sure. It was the post I referenced when I made the comment. You attempted to redeem yourself but otherwise it was a backhanded comment that EM met the price point from Walmart by lowering the quality of their oil. Is that a good start?
So what does a “TD sheet” tell me about the performance of an oil?
Here is what I said : "Not saying that Mobil 1 is not a good oil because it is but myself and many others have always wondered about the GM/Mobil "partnership", especially after Mobil completely changed their formula." Nothing backhanded at all, how you came up with me making a disparaging comment is beyond me. I'll say it again now just for you--Mobil 1 is a good oil. Hopefully we're clear on that so we can now move on.
A performance of an oil huh ? Well, if you can read and understand TD sheets, that would be a huge start. I have many documented proofs as well from fellow excavators, truckers, loggers, and everyday regular users of Schaeffer products. Just as a recent example, 1 towing company by me who uses both our 15/40 and 10/30 diesel oils for their Powerstrokes and Cummins has reported back to me that the drivers are seeing an app.10* lowered temperature change, a quieter engine, and slightly better mileage. Am I going to get a written statement notarized just for you to help prove a point ? That's a big NO. Then we can step up to oil analysis for justification. Being a user of many Schaeffer oils for the last 18 years in my excavators, dozers, backhoes, dump trucks, and personal trucks, I have never received a negative report once. So again, I know the high quality of Schaeffer products, my excavating friends who I sell to know it, my car club friends know it, whether you believe it or not I really don't give a rat's azzzzz but I do know that our founder Bob, the original Schaeffer rep would back me up 100% as will many other Schaeffer users here.
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This post is relevant to our discussion (I quote MM at the bottom):
As I figured, you have no answer.
Oil analysis is about the same level, if you’re impressed with a “slug of moly” or a “dose of boron” I guess that works just as well.
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I have had to delete several posts due to multiple violations.
I am warning all; stay on topic and stop the bickering.
I am warning all; stay on topic and stop the bickering.
Schaeffers is good oil and spends the money to at least get the most up to date certifications. That and a family owned company is reason enough to use it. Everything else is gravy. While I’ll probably never test how long it can go, I do trust it the length of my OLM.
Used the 700 synshield durability 15w-40. But most was the 9000 full synthetic. Used the 293 gear oil, the 238 grease and the multi vehicle synthetic transmission fluidWhich did you use more of, the 7000 series or 9000 series of Schaeffer's oil? Just curious
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I've used mostly the 9000 oils myself. Over the winter months I decided to try the 7000. I will eventually give the transmission fluid a try.
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