Why do you believe in UFOs?

[martinq]

Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
So I suppose that Mr. Cohen is a conspiracy nut as well.

Sure seems that way. You have any other explanation?

 

[Astro14]

I don't see the connection. We were discussing gravity waves. The former SecDef was talking about electromagnetic wave research.

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Much on the Tunguska event depends on who you read and as we know, science is always changing it's theories.

The important thing, though, is that the real crank theory - a collision with a black hole - seems to have gotten quiet.

@Drew99GT: You're right. That's the proper use of the term gravity wave, which is the meteorological term. It's also been seconded by cranks to mean what it doesn't actually mean. The cranks have never been able to demonstrate how to create gravity without mass, though (or at least more than would be generated by the mass of the device itself in the first place, which is minuscule).

 

[Astro14]

Gravity wave is a common meteorological phenomenon...

But the SciAm article was discussing gravity waves from massive objects (like closely orbiting neutron stars) in very rapid motion (close spiral...which will decay quickly)...Einstein himself thought that the perturbations in spacetime caused by such massive objects in such motion would be too small to detect, but laser interferometry has made it possible.

The first such detector, LIGO (http://www.ligo.caltech.edu/) was built about 10 years ago and has been able to detect gravity waves, but only the stronger ones.

The next generation, LISA http://lisa.nasa.gov/ is awaiting funding...but would be able to detect smaller amplitude waves, and so, more distant objects...which means insight into the earlier universe...

Of course, maybe the funding hold-up for LISA is because the folks at NASA already have a secret gravity wave detector mounted on their secret gravitic vehicle...keeps the local cluster graviton police from pulling you over, I suppose...

 

[Shannow]

So if there's gravity waves, then there has to be a speed of gravity...


Soooo...a quantum particle suddenly popping into existence should feel the gravity of an already extant body, but the already extant body will feel the gravitational pull of the new particle some time later...that's flash.

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: Shannow
So if there's gravity waves, then there has to be a speed of gravity...

Lord save me, let's call them gravitational waves, please. You guys are trying to kill me.

A recent paper on measuring the speed of gravity is here. The math is much more elementary than the business I went through with the proofs of the quantum entanglement theorems.

 

[Astro14]

Ostensibly, gravitons would move at the speed of light, since we're detecting waves that would propagate at that speed...That's true for any boson, right? But the graviton remains unconfirmed and doesn't fit into the standard model.

Frankly, the whole graviton thing bugs me a bit...I always thought that gravity was a property (curvature) of spacetime itself...

 

[d00df00d]

Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
On April 28, 1997 U.S. Defense Secretary William Cohen made the following statement:

“Others are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves… So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations…It’s real, and that’s the reason why we have to intensify our efforts.”

...as part of the following testimony:

Quote:
Well, it points out the nature of the threat. It turned out to be a false threat under the circumstances. But as we've learned in the intelligence community, we had something called -- and we have James Woolsey here to perhaps even address this question about phantom moles. The mere fear that there is a mole within an agency can set off a chain reaction and a hunt for that particular mole which can paralyze the agency for weeks and months and years even, in a search. The same thing is true about just the false scare of a threat of using some kind of a chemical weapon or a biological one. There are some reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct something like an Ebola Virus, and that would be a very dangerous phenomenon, to say the least. Alvin Toeffler has written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic-specific so that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.

So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that's why this is so important.

He was talking about false and potential threats, not anything that's actually happening.

http://www.fas.org/news/usa/1997/04/bmd970429d.htm



Not that I think you care, BTW. Just posting that for the record.

 

[dwcopple]

Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit


Thanks for the laugh.

you are welcome, politician, who hopes to benefit from more sheeple.

 

[Garak]

Dwcopple, you still didn't answer my question a few posts ago:

Originally Posted By: Garak
As for the second part, what piece of evidence do you suppose would disprove to you that an artifact wasn't depicting a visit from extraterrestrials? What would make you say that your conjecture is wrong? If you can't conceive of such a thing, then you can't make your conjecture falsifiable, and it's not scientific, then. It is merely a belief.

What level of evidence would you accept that these artifacts weren't depicting a visit from extraterrestrials? And that's being very kind on my part. If you can answer that, you're on the way. Then, you next have to prove the existence of extraterrestrials, that they are capable of interstellar travel, and that they visited our ancestors. A drawing is no more proof of extraterrestrial visits than my chosen handle is that I'm from Cardassia.

 

[expat]

'I' believe Gariak is from Cardassia.

Can you prove he isn't ?

 

[DBMaster]

And, I believe he is a simple tailor and not an agent of the Obsidian Order.

 

[d00df00d]

I personally believe Garak is Elvis.

Same number of letters in both names. WHAT ARE THE ODDS??

 

[Drew99GT]

Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
On April 28, 1997 U.S. Defense Secretary William Cohen made the following statement:

“Others are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves… So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations…It’s real, and that’s the reason why we have to intensify our efforts.”

...as part of the following testimony:

Quote:
Well, it points out the nature of the threat. It turned out to be a false threat under the circumstances. But as we've learned in the intelligence community, we had something called -- and we have James Woolsey here to perhaps even address this question about phantom moles. The mere fear that there is a mole within an agency can set off a chain reaction and a hunt for that particular mole which can paralyze the agency for weeks and months and years even, in a search. The same thing is true about just the false scare of a threat of using some kind of a chemical weapon or a biological one. There are some reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct something like an Ebola Virus, and that would be a very dangerous phenomenon, to say the least. Alvin Toeffler has written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic-specific so that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.

So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that's why this is so important.

He was talking about false and potential threats, not anything that's actually happening.

http://www.fas.org/news/usa/1997/04/bmd970429d.htm



Not that I think you care, BTW. Just posting that for the record.


Don't put things into CONTEXT!

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Same number of letters in both names. WHAT ARE THE ODDS??

I'm getting all shook up here.

 

[martinq]

Originally Posted By: Garak
I'm getting all shook up here.

... because of gravity waves?!

 

[Trajan]

Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
On April 28, 1997 U.S. Defense Secretary William Cohen made the following statement:

“Others are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves… So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations…It’s real, and that’s the reason why we have to intensify our efforts.”

...as part of the following testimony:

Quote:
Well, it points out the nature of the threat. It turned out to be a false threat under the circumstances. But as we've learned in the intelligence community, we had something called -- and we have James Woolsey here to perhaps even address this question about phantom moles. The mere fear that there is a mole within an agency can set off a chain reaction and a hunt for that particular mole which can paralyze the agency for weeks and months and years even, in a search. The same thing is true about just the false scare of a threat of using some kind of a chemical weapon or a biological one. There are some reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct something like an Ebola Virus, and that would be a very dangerous phenomenon, to say the least. Alvin Toeffler has written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic-specific so that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.

So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that's why this is so important.

He was talking about false and potential threats, not anything that's actually happening.

http://www.fas.org/news/usa/1997/04/bmd970429d.htm



Not that I think you care, BTW. Just posting that for the record.


Don't put things into CONTEXT!

Spoils things that way

 

[Trajan]

Originally Posted By: martinq
Originally Posted By: Garak
I'm getting all shook up here.

... because of gravity waves?!


It's those blue suede shoes.

Or the fried peanut butter banana sandwich.

 

[jrustles]

I can promise all of you, that weather events will only become more and more extreme. Just be diligent, thatwon't kill you.

 

[DBMaster]

Originally Posted By: martinq
Originally Posted By: Garak
I'm getting all shook up here.

... because of gravity waves?!


No. "All shook up" like Elvis.