why different oil for U.S. and Europe?

Status
Not open for further replies.
Yes, I'm sorry for the long explanation but, I did want to point out there was at least one "objective", non-psychological-cultural (i.e. "change every 3000 miles") reason why in at least the case of post 2002 diesels, NA engines require more frequent changes than Euro engines.
It sounds like you and I are thinking similarly as far as EGR is concerned. As far as my 05 Unimog is concerned, the EGR cooler is sitting in my garage....

Charlie
 
Hi,
Charlie - I do love Unimogs - a great piece of equipment with a great history

I have spent many a happy (and at times frightening) hour on the test track at Gaggenau over the years. Vertical descents are always... well...interesting!
 
Its amazing some of the excuses some people come up with to satisfy themselves to the use of thin oils, thinking of 5w40 as being too thick etc. Even though Europe produce some of the best cars in the world, what the heck would they know about oil hey ???

EGR is not something foreign, my plain old Commodore v6 ecotec even has one, and many other older models. I am sure these engines are common in the US as well. And europe is not the only place with stop start traffic, we wont talk about the gridlocked heavily populated cities many have.

Yes some thin oils have been tailor made for certain models, but it should not be made a general recommendation.
 
In the US, oil change is very very cheap even if you bring your car in to a mechanic to do the change. They are typically $20-40 and some mobile mechanic will come to office complex to do oil change when you work for only $35. The $20 is loss leader that bring in new customer for the mechanics to find something wrong with the cars that they encourage the customers to spend money to fix. I've heard that if Jiffy Lube only change engine oil they would go out of business. Walmart do oil change for $15 because they want to lock you in their store so you will buy more of their stuff. In the end they lose money on oil change but make money on their store sales.

This is the only country that you can get $1 synthetic engine oil after rebate. It used to be even better, I got paid by Valvoline for $1 to take their SynPower after 2 overlapping rebates, 1 cent oil filters, free non-synthetic oil......
 
Not the same oil.US customers are way more gullible, accepting, believing,trusting of their corporations.And their government is prevented from regulating the corporations' business practices to protect consumers. That is why even Mobil 1 is dumping mineral oil in the US market labeling it 'full synthetic'. That is why Castrol has to put real synthetic oil in their bottles in Europe.Or else...
 
Originally Posted By: Geo_Prizm
That is why even Mobil 1 is dumping mineral oil in the US market labeling it 'full synthetic'.

I'm not a big XOM fan myself, but you're just spreading rumors here. Either provide proof or shut up.
 
Hi,
Geo_Prizm - You said this:

"That is why even Mobil 1 is dumping mineral oil in the US market labeling it 'full synthetic'."

Please provide absolute proof that this is the case!

XoM are in fact creating other levels of lubricant (we call them semi-synthetics) around the World but maintaining M1 as a stand alone synthetic

Castrol have very clearly delineated their ranges too - just like Motul etc.

So Geo-Prizm, no rumours - no "bull" the facts please!
 
Oh, 'shut up' Quattro, you know full well that Mobil is not disclosing its Mobil 1 formulae.

You also know full well why Castrol is able to do the same here in the land of the gullible.

Do not tell me Mobil is different just because they sponsor the site.

Mobil 1 5W-30 (their number 1 product?) has ACEA A1/B1 qualification.

'ACEA A1/B1 oils are typically low HTHS (≤3.5cP) SAE 5W-30 based on API Group III base oils.'

https://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Mobil_1_5W-30.aspx

http://www.lubrizol.com/EuropeanEngineOils/A1B108.html
 
Hi,
Geo_Prizm - With due respect - supply all the facts that back up your statements with hard and conclusive data!

As a footnote, hydrocracked Group 3 lubricants are classed as semi-synthetic or fully synthetic depending on the Global location. The Wikipedia description may help you too - concentrate on VI for instance!!
 
Originally Posted By: Geo_Prizm
you know full well that Mobil is not disclosing its Mobil 1 formulae.

Exactly, so how can you be sure what this formula is?
smirk2.gif


Quote:

Mobil 1 5W-30 (their number 1 product?) has ACEA A1/B1 qualification.

'ACEA A1/B1 oils are typically low HTHS (≤3.5cP) SAE 5W-30 based on API Group III base oils.'

Just because it has low HT/HS does not automatically make it group III. Some oils are purposefully designed to have low HT/HS so that they can claim fuel economy improvements.

Again, unless you can provide us with laboratory results that specifically show M1 is group III, I think this discussion is pointless.
 
I know it is pointless, I just stated my view, I did not mean to codify anything. Unless Mobil provides us with laboratory results that specifically show M1 is group IV, I will continue seeing M1 as group III - mineral oil.

Doug_Hillary, I know... I have 6 or 7 qts of Mobil 1, I do not think it is a bad oil.Of course I will use it if I can not afford buying Castrol 0W-30 for my next oil change.
 
Hi,
Geo_Prizm - It would be helpful to all on BITOG if when you make statements such as you have - you can back them up. You haven't in this case and you can't!

As a relatively new BITOG contributor it is perhaps wise to be circumspect in your statements "as fact". Unsubstantiated opinions you are most welcome to
 
Oh, hi and thank you Doug_Hillary. I did not say what I say is law.And I do not have to add 'this is only my opinion' after each and every statement.This is a forum, obviously opinions are exchanged here, it is not a laboratory where we have to experiment to reach conclusive results.Even scientific studies tend to be refuted consecutively.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Originally Posted By: Geo_Prizm
And I do not have to add 'this is only my opinion' after each and every statement.

Well, you should. Otherwise, how are we to know when you're stating a fact and when you're just expressing an opinion?

And after all, an opinion should be formed based on some factual information. Among other things, what sets BITOG apart from other forums is that we try to deal with facts here. That's how we learn. Opinions are like a******* - everyone's got one.

Statements such as the one you made about M1 not being full synthetic have caused huge arguments here in the past, including some members getting banned because it quickly gets out of control, and it's impossible to settle these types of arguments since no one has the facts. So let's not even go there unless you're prepared to offer the facts.

Just my 2 cents.
 
Originally Posted By: Geo_Prizm

you know full well that Mobil is not disclosing its Mobil 1 formulae.


So you will of course explain how you know they are dumping mineral oil in the US and labeling it full synthetic.
 
Hi,
prax - Correct - sometimes M1 products have a Group 5 content too!

This Thread is now a long way OT - it is really about the reasons why lubricants are different US and Europe

One prime reason is that the engine Manufacturers via their Association - ACEA - call the shots. In the US it has been the API and other Agencies and the Automakers have perhaps only played "catchup"
 
Sorry I should've been more clear.

MSDS will say "mineral oil." And not a little bit either. Also, some will only list a little bit of PAO and you know Mobil is not putting 80% Group V.

WRT off-topic: I was offering some proof that Mobil 1 is not PAO/Grp V only.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

N
Oil rec Mini Cooper JCW / N18 engine
Replies
14
Views
329
edyvw
J
Castrol Edge Euro 5W-30 vs. 5W-40
2
Replies
27
Views
7K
edyvw
Bozman52
Choosing correct viscosity for BMW M5 w/ S63TU 4.4L V8
2
Replies
38
Views
2K
edyvw
R
650WHP 2018 Audi S5 Oil Recommendation?
2 3
Replies
56
Views
3K
FranklinJL
F
What makes Euro oils different?
5 6 7
Replies
139
Views
15K
tired
Back
Top Bottom