Why all these additives???

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I wonder why all our fellow BITOGers insist on adding stuff to the oil in perfectly good engines?

Things like Moly, ZDDP MMO, slick 50, Lucas, STP, Ethos tufoill.... the list goes on forever.

Are we smarter than the best PhD's that mix our oils? I just don't get it. I always thought that if you bought quality oil and filters and you were good to go.
 
What's in these miracle lubricants, anyway? If they're so wonderful, why don't car manufacturers recommend their usage? Why don't oil companies get into the additive business?
 
Originally Posted By: BobsArmory

I always thought that if you bought quality oil and filters and you were good to go.


You are.
 
I have never believed in adding anything to a well formulated oil. Now gasoline, that's another issue all together. I'm a big believer is gasoline and diesel additives.
 
Originally Posted By: Johnny
I have never believed in adding anything to a well formulated oil. Now gasoline, that's another issue all together. I'm a big believer is gasoline and diesel additives.


This is the generally accepted view among many people. We have good oil, but less than ideal fuel.
 
Originally Posted By: Johnny
I have never believed in adding anything to a well formulated oil. Now gasoline, that's another issue all together. I'm a big believer is gasoline and diesel additives.


The car manufacturers also say don't add additives to gas. So what are the potential advantages? I'm interested in understanding what the benefits are.

I have one 6 year old car with 60k that will do 5k a year, heavy on short trips, and one 3 years old car with 30k that will do 10k a year mainly on highway trips.
 
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Originally Posted By: BobsArmory
What's in these miracle lubricants, anyway? If they're so wonderful, why don't car manufacturers recommend their usage? Why don't oil companies get into the additive business?


Some of the aftermarket additives are the same exact compounds which are added to a good motor oil (via 'add packs') to help them perform better.

Since some of these add pack compounds are sacrificial, and deplete as even the very best oils accumulate miles, it might not be so bad to replenish them near the end of an OCI.
The key is to know just how much to add in order to accomplish this end, and to resist the temptation to go "overboard", poison your oil, and do more harm than good.

But WHO knows where that point is for sure??!
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Additives are in oils.
They can't be all bad, and unnecessary.
We can pinpoint and strengthen weak areas.
Also, we can clean things.
 
We'll here's the opinion of someone who has plays with additives. Certain additives are good for older engines to protect the cam, others are good for older engines that are in need of cleaning. Some aid in cold winter starts. Some older engines burn oil, or leak. Others feel certain additives in a newer engine will keep it clean and reduce wear.

Some of us feel oil companies are blending oils to a price point, and might be skimping on certain additives because of cost, moly comes to mind here. Then there are guys who feel taking a dino oil and mixing it with something like RL oil gives them a super blend oil.

Are we helping or hurting our engines? Great topic for debate, or an awesome argument! I say it's my money and I'll spend it however I like. I've noticed a few additives I've used over the years have been beneficial, resolved issues, and will continue using them if/when needed. JMO
 
I don´t use additives in my daily driver - car I change every 4 years - however in my 17 years old Porsche 911 with 100 k engine I use Liqui Moly 10w-40 Mos2 oil
 
Originally Posted By: rjacket
But what about fuel additives?


I use MMO, and RL's fuel system cleaner, both are good products IMO.
 
BobsArmory, Do you really believe that oil companies produce the "best" possible motor oils to minimize the engine wear and maximize the life of your engine? Oil companies must "compete" in a market place in addition to meeting numerous government regulations.

Additive packages, in addition to base oils, are selected and blended in an effort to minimize costs, maximize profits and yet meet the minimum standards posed by API and ILSAC in the States. Can these oils that are being marketed be improved upon? Of course! Could additional (and more), or different mixtures/combinations of additives be utilized? Of course! Are there aftermarket additives currently available that will improve the wear/life performance of the popular oils brands? Yes!

Why are these additives not utilized if they can improve performance! Cost, emissions, government regulations, fuel economy (CAFE), price/demand elasticities,....etc. By the way, many of the top motor oil producing firms (Valvoline, Chevron...) produce(produced) and sell (sold) aftermarket oil and fuel additives. Industrial firms utilize aftermarket additives in their machinery, equipment and vehicles to a great extent. To be sure, adding aftermarket additives to your motor oil should be undertaken carefully and only by those possessing a significant amount of oil or"tribological" knowledge.

I am not going to recommend any products; however, I simply wanted to point out that it is a bit naive to believe that the oils produced today by the large oil firms are optimal and cannot be improved upon by additional (aftermarket) additives.

Yes, there are many "snake oils" out there, many of which have resulted in FTC "smack downs"! One needs to be careful when adding aftermarket products to their vehicle's fluids.
 
I use MMO "decently-frequently" (?) in my gas in my vehicles, and have only used it once in oil (semi sticky lifter on a Kohler 18hp garden tractor engine) and it took care of the problem:) Never needed to use it in the oil of any of my cars however. Its the only additive I buy.
 
Originally Posted By: Dr. E
BobsArmory, Do you really believe that oil companies produce the "best" possible motor oils to minimize the engine wear and maximize the life of your engine? Oil companies must "compete" in a market place in addition to meeting numerous government regulations.

Additive packages, in addition to base oils, are selected and blended in an effort to minimize costs, maximize profits and yet meet the minimum standards posed by API and ILSAC in the States. Can these oils that are being marketed be improved upon? Of course! Could additional (and more), or different mixtures/combinations of additives be utilized? Of course! Are there aftermarket additives currently available that will improve the wear/life performance of the popular oils brands? Yes!

Why are these additives not utilized if they can improve performance! Cost, emissions, government regulations, fuel economy (CAFE), price/demand elasticities,....etc. By the way, many of the top motor oil producing firms (Valvoline, Chevron...) produce(produced) and sell (sold) aftermarket oil and fuel additives. Industrial firms utilize aftermarket additives in their machinery, equipment and vehicles to a great extent. To be sure, adding aftermarket additives to your motor oil should be undertaken carefully and only by those possessing a significant amount of oil or"tribological" knowledge.

I am not going to recommend any products; however, I simply wanted to point out that it is a bit naive to believe that the oils produced today by the large oil firms are optimal and cannot be improved upon by additional (aftermarket) additives.

Yes, there are many "snake oils" out there, many of which have resulted in FTC "smack downs"! One needs to be careful when adding aftermarket products to their vehicle's fluids.


Nicely stated! I believe oils are good, but blended to a price point, and profit comes first.
 
Originally Posted By: Bigsyke
No one brought up MoS2, which have shown great UOA's.


MoS2 is a good product and growing in popularity here. I've now used it in two different vehicles, a lawn mower, which stopped smoking at startup, and a snowblower. I'm pleased with the results in all applications.
 
Originally Posted By: Dr. E
BobsArmory, Do you really believe that oil companies produce the "best" possible motor oils to minimize the engine wear and maximize the life of your engine? Oil companies must "compete" in a market place in addition to meeting numerous government regulations.

Additive packages, in addition to base oils, are selected and blended in an effort to minimize costs, maximize profits and yet meet the minimum standards posed by API and ILSAC in the States. Can these oils that are being marketed be improved upon? Of course! Could additional (and more), or different mixtures/combinations of additives be utilized? Of course! Are there aftermarket additives currently available that will improve the wear/life performance of the popular oils brands? Yes!

Why are these additives not utilized if they can improve performance! Cost, emissions, government regulations, fuel economy (CAFE), price/demand elasticities,....etc. By the way, many of the top motor oil producing firms (Valvoline, Chevron...) produce(produced) and sell (sold) aftermarket oil and fuel additives. Industrial firms utilize aftermarket additives in their machinery, equipment and vehicles to a great extent. To be sure, adding aftermarket additives to your motor oil should be undertaken carefully and only by those possessing a significant amount of oil or"tribological" knowledge.

I am not going to recommend any products; however, I simply wanted to point out that it is a bit naive to believe that the oils produced today by the large oil firms are optimal and cannot be improved upon by additional (aftermarket) additives.

Yes, there are many "snake oils" out there, many of which have resulted in FTC "smack downs"! One needs to be careful when adding aftermarket products to their vehicle's fluids.

Very well put, and spot on.
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Tom NJ
 
Originally Posted By: Tom NJ
Originally Posted By: Dr. E
BobsArmory, Do you really believe that oil companies produce the "best" possible motor oils to minimize the engine wear and maximize the life of your engine? Oil companies must "compete" in a market place in addition to meeting numerous government regulations.

Additive packages, in addition to base oils, are selected and blended in an effort to minimize costs, maximize profits and yet meet the minimum standards posed by API and ILSAC in the States. Can these oils that are being marketed be improved upon? Of course! Could additional (and more), or different mixtures/combinations of additives be utilized? Of course! Are there aftermarket additives currently available that will improve the wear/life performance of the popular oils brands? Yes!

Why are these additives not utilized if they can improve performance! Cost, emissions, government regulations, fuel economy (CAFE), price/demand elasticities,....etc. By the way, many of the top motor oil producing firms (Valvoline, Chevron...) produce(produced) and sell (sold) aftermarket oil and fuel additives. Industrial firms utilize aftermarket additives in their machinery, equipment and vehicles to a great extent. To be sure, adding aftermarket additives to your motor oil should be undertaken carefully and only by those possessing a significant amount of oil or"tribological" knowledge.

I am not going to recommend any products; however, I simply wanted to point out that it is a bit naive to believe that the oils produced today by the large oil firms are optimal and cannot be improved upon by additional (aftermarket) additives.

Yes, there are many "snake oils" out there, many of which have resulted in FTC "smack downs"! One needs to be careful when adding aftermarket products to their vehicle's fluids.

Very well put, and spot on.
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Tom NJ


Ditto Tom and Dr.E., well stated.

Up until about 6 or 7 years ago, I never considered using additives because I rarely kept a vehicle long enough to see the effects of the lubricants that I was using. But my financial situation changed and I decided it was better to preserve the newer 3 vehicles I owned, than get into the car payment game again. Even though my vehicles were meticulously maintained with name brand lubricants and filters, deposits, and leaks started to show up in the steering and drive train equipment over the last few years. That led me to find one additive in particular here on BITOG that has saved my butt in repair bills. I won't mention the name, because this is a good thread that all should read and learn something from.

Tom and Molakule have the best insight as to why big oil formulated lubricants are designed and sold with compromises that you wouldn't learn about from the marketer. If you start keeping your vehicles longer than you used to like I am, it would be wise to learn what those compromises might be in the oil you're using and supplement it with an additive.

I guess I just don't have blind faith in the oil companies to protect my investments anymore. I will verify from now on.
 
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