Which of of these are going to be more friendly towards my 1.5 Turbo in the Civic? I see that the AFE is labeled with the SN Plus logo whereas the EP is not?
Whats the difference between M1 0W20 AFE and 0W20 EP?
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M1 EP 0w20 is SN+, and dexos1 Gen2.
All other weights may not be. The pdf file on the mobiloil.com website shows just the 0w20.
SN+ means it passes the LSPI test that uses a Ford ecoboost engine.
dexos1 Gen2 means it passes another LSPI test procedure using a GM turbo-DI engine.
Really any oil that has low calcium and low sodium will likey be fine in a turbo-DI engine. For example, I noticed the other day that Rotella T6 Multi-vehicle 5w30 has low Ca and Na, so OK to use even with no SN+ or dexos1 certifications.
All other weights may not be. The pdf file on the mobiloil.com website shows just the 0w20.
SN+ means it passes the LSPI test that uses a Ford ecoboost engine.
dexos1 Gen2 means it passes another LSPI test procedure using a GM turbo-DI engine.
Really any oil that has low calcium and low sodium will likey be fine in a turbo-DI engine. For example, I noticed the other day that Rotella T6 Multi-vehicle 5w30 has low Ca and Na, so OK to use even with no SN+ or dexos1 certifications.
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Originally Posted by JohnnyJohnson
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I'm surprised this wasn't the first reply
Does the AFE=Advanced Fuel Economy/Efficiency?
Originally Posted by Char Baby
Does the AFE=Advanced Fuel Economy/Efficiency?
Advanced Fuel Economy.
If one looks closer they will discover it is really regular Mobil 1 but in the lighter grades. M1 EP has the predominant PAO base and is good for longer oci.
Either will run fine but for the extra few dollars the EP is a great choice, especially in a turbo GDI engine.
Does the AFE=Advanced Fuel Economy/Efficiency?
Advanced Fuel Economy.
If one looks closer they will discover it is really regular Mobil 1 but in the lighter grades. M1 EP has the predominant PAO base and is good for longer oci.
Either will run fine but for the extra few dollars the EP is a great choice, especially in a turbo GDI engine.
Thanks!
Was thinking about running M1 AFE in the Civic in my signature especially for winter as this engine requires ONLY 0W20 and nothing else.
The Altima in my signature commends 0W20 but allows for conventional or synthetic 5W30/10W30 but strangely not 5W20. Doesn't say not to use 5W20 but, doesn't list it either. Hmmm!
Was thinking about running M1 AFE in the Civic in my signature especially for winter as this engine requires ONLY 0W20 and nothing else.
The Altima in my signature commends 0W20 but allows for conventional or synthetic 5W30/10W30 but strangely not 5W20. Doesn't say not to use 5W20 but, doesn't list it either. Hmmm!
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Originally Posted by Blue_Goose
Originally Posted by JohnnyJohnson
About $3.
I'm surprised this wasn't the first reply
Good you have a sense of humor.
Originally Posted by JohnnyJohnson
About $3.
I'm surprised this wasn't the first reply
Good you have a sense of humor.
Use AFE 0w30
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Originally Posted by Char Baby
Thanks!
Was thinking about running M1 AFE in the Civic in my signature especially for winter as this engine requires ONLY 0W20 and nothing else.
The Altima in my signature commends 0W20 but allows for conventional or synthetic 5W30/10W30 but strangely not 5W20. Doesn't say not to use 5W20 but, doesn't list it either. Hmmm!
Nissan probably discourages conventional 5W20 in the Civic - thus failed to even mention 5W20. I'm guessing full synthetic-only 5W20 would be fine, being it's graded between 0W20 and 5W30.
Contact Nissan and/or the dealer for clarification.
Thanks!
Was thinking about running M1 AFE in the Civic in my signature especially for winter as this engine requires ONLY 0W20 and nothing else.
The Altima in my signature commends 0W20 but allows for conventional or synthetic 5W30/10W30 but strangely not 5W20. Doesn't say not to use 5W20 but, doesn't list it either. Hmmm!
Nissan probably discourages conventional 5W20 in the Civic - thus failed to even mention 5W20. I'm guessing full synthetic-only 5W20 would be fine, being it's graded between 0W20 and 5W30.
Contact Nissan and/or the dealer for clarification.
Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en
Originally Posted by Char Baby
Thanks!
Was thinking about running M1 AFE in the Civic in my signature especially for winter as this engine requires ONLY 0W20 and nothing else.
The Altima in my signature commends 0W20 but allows for conventional or synthetic 5W30/10W30 but strangely not 5W20. Doesn't say not to use 5W20 but, doesn't list it either. Hmmm!
Nissan probably discourages conventional 5W20 in the Civic - thus failed to even mention 5W20. I'm guessing full synthetic-only 5W20 would be fine, being it's graded between 0W20 and 5W30.
Contact Nissan and/or the dealer for clarification.
I think you mean Honda.
Originally Posted by Char Baby
Thanks!
Was thinking about running M1 AFE in the Civic in my signature especially for winter as this engine requires ONLY 0W20 and nothing else.
The Altima in my signature commends 0W20 but allows for conventional or synthetic 5W30/10W30 but strangely not 5W20. Doesn't say not to use 5W20 but, doesn't list it either. Hmmm!
Nissan probably discourages conventional 5W20 in the Civic - thus failed to even mention 5W20. I'm guessing full synthetic-only 5W20 would be fine, being it's graded between 0W20 and 5W30.
Contact Nissan and/or the dealer for clarification.
I think you mean Honda.
Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en
Originally Posted by Char Baby
Thanks!
Was thinking about running M1 AFE in the Civic in my signature especially for winter as this engine requires ONLY 0W20 and nothing else.
The Altima in my signature commends 0W20 but allows for conventional or synthetic 5W30/10W30 but strangely not 5W20. Doesn't say not to use 5W20 but, doesn't list it either. Hmmm!
Nissan probably discourages conventional 5W20 in the Civic - thus failed to even mention 5W20. I'm guessing full synthetic-only 5W20 would be fine, being it's graded between 0W20 and 5W30.
Contact Nissan and/or the dealer for clarification.
You will probably only get a scripted answer that will only say what you know already without answer your real question.
Originally Posted by Char Baby
Thanks!
Was thinking about running M1 AFE in the Civic in my signature especially for winter as this engine requires ONLY 0W20 and nothing else.
The Altima in my signature commends 0W20 but allows for conventional or synthetic 5W30/10W30 but strangely not 5W20. Doesn't say not to use 5W20 but, doesn't list it either. Hmmm!
Nissan probably discourages conventional 5W20 in the Civic - thus failed to even mention 5W20. I'm guessing full synthetic-only 5W20 would be fine, being it's graded between 0W20 and 5W30.
Contact Nissan and/or the dealer for clarification.
You will probably only get a scripted answer that will only say what you know already without answer your real question.
Originally Posted by JohnnyJohnson
Originally Posted by Blue_Goose
Originally Posted by JohnnyJohnson
About $3.
I'm surprised this wasn't the first reply
Good you have a sense of humor.
Humour aside, for most people's usage patterns, that's the most accurate answer, too.
Originally Posted by Blue_Goose
Originally Posted by JohnnyJohnson
About $3.
I'm surprised this wasn't the first reply
Good you have a sense of humor.
Humour aside, for most people's usage patterns, that's the most accurate answer, too.
Originally Posted by Char Baby
Thanks!
Was thinking about running M1 AFE in the Civic in my signature especially for winter as this engine requires ONLY 0W20 and nothing else.
The manual for the 18 Civic also makes no mention of other acceptable grades other than 0W20.....
Thanks!
Was thinking about running M1 AFE in the Civic in my signature especially for winter as this engine requires ONLY 0W20 and nothing else.
The manual for the 18 Civic also makes no mention of other acceptable grades other than 0W20.....
Originally Posted by PimTac
Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en
Originally Posted by Char Baby
Thanks!
Was thinking about running M1 AFE in the Civic in my signature especially for winter as this engine requires ONLY 0W20 and nothing else.
The Altima in my signature commends 0W20 but allows for conventional or synthetic 5W30/10W30 but strangely not 5W20. Doesn't say not to use 5W20 but, doesn't list it either. Hmmm!
Nissan probably discourages conventional 5W20 in the Civic[***you mean ALTIMA***] - thus failed to even mention 5W20. I'm guessing full synthetic-only 5W20 would be fine, being it's graded between 0W20 and 5W30.
Contact Nissan and/or the dealer for clarification.
I think you mean Honda.
Nissan.
Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en
Originally Posted by Char Baby
Thanks!
Was thinking about running M1 AFE in the Civic in my signature especially for winter as this engine requires ONLY 0W20 and nothing else.
The Altima in my signature commends 0W20 but allows for conventional or synthetic 5W30/10W30 but strangely not 5W20. Doesn't say not to use 5W20 but, doesn't list it either. Hmmm!
Nissan probably discourages conventional 5W20 in the Civic[***you mean ALTIMA***] - thus failed to even mention 5W20. I'm guessing full synthetic-only 5W20 would be fine, being it's graded between 0W20 and 5W30.
Contact Nissan and/or the dealer for clarification.
I think you mean Honda.
Nissan.
I've got EP 0W20 waiting to go in our 1.5T.
Why is it that the AFE has the SN Plus markings on the jug and the EP does not?
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