What 0w16 are you using in your newer toyota?
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It says there that “if operating at high speeds or under load” a higher grade may be used. So I guess just claiming you drive all highway would be enough to warrant using a 20w anyways.
My 2019 clearly says 0W-16 is recommended.
It also clearly says WTS transmission fluid is required.
Infer from that whatever you want.
It also clearly says WTS transmission fluid is required.
Infer from that whatever you want.
Also because what's required for the warranty is an oil that doesn't cause damage. An oil of a higher HT/HS isn't going to cause damage, that's not how it works.
Of course all this fear is exactly what the EPA demands in their letter to the automaker.
They better not or can't, actually. Their owners manual only recommends 0W-16. There is a world of difference between recommended and required.
Their lawyers must have skipped the part that says you "must" switch back to 0W-20 at the next change though. That contradicts the above. Then again, you or I can simply say "0W-16 wasn't available".
Someone will correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Magnusson-Moss Act says if a manufacturer requires something in order to maintain warranty, that manufacturer has to provide the "something" at no cost to the consumer.
I like how they didn't rush it out there.
I forgot they had 2 other 0w16's.
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They aren’t saying it requires only the Toyota brand oil though. I think that is the intent of MMA.
I am at 2,600 miles on the hybrid Rav 4 and will do the dealership freebies then switch to Mobil 0w16.
I agree. Amsoil doesn’t mess around.
I think basically everyone's manual from the US says the same. Strong wording that you should use 0w-16. However, if you go to the Australian links and look up the manual for the same car you'll likely find a much more permissive manual. Below is the manual from Australia for the 2021+ Toyota Camry Hybrid. However the one from the US says same as yours and in the maintenance book it says "if you didn't use 0w-16 at your last oil change, change your oil now (which was at 5,000 mile interval instead of 10,000). I'm unsure how they'd handle a warranty claim but I think #1, it is highly unlikely they'd know you were using 5w30 anyways, and being that they do have manuals that suggest you can use 5w30, I don't they'd have a leg to stand on. This appears to be driven by a CAFE/EPA requirement. Also Australia's service book recommends 15km oil changes, so every 9300 miles instead of 10,000mi like the US. I'm assuming they chose these numbers just because they are nice and round. https://toyotamanuals.com.au/docs/camry-hybrid-warranty-service-booklet-may-current/ (service pdf for camry). My next oil change I'm using 0w20 and then after that I may just use 5w30. I'm going to do 7500-8000 mile intervals.
You can find the Australian manual for your vehicle here.
Toyota Service Information & Repair Manuals
toyotamanuals.com.au
2021+ Australian Owner's manual for Toyota Camry Hybrid
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They'd ask for proof of oil changes and see what oil is used.
Wouldn't surprise me that they try to claim there's something different with the engines, hence the different oil specs.
Yes, round numbers.
I recently started servicing my friend's daughter's beautiful '21 RAV4 hybrid using M1 0w16.
It boggles my mind how much difference 0w20 would make; it's above my pay grade. I just use what the sticker says.
It boggles my mind how much difference 0w20 would make; it's above my pay grade. I just use what the sticker says.
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PP 0w16 would be my pick there strong GTL base stock should be down for whatever
I am curious where do folks find 0W-16 5 qt containers of Castrol? All I can find from regular sources are 1 qt bottles.
Mobil 1 AFE 0w-16 is the only $2x.xx, rest all are $30+
Mobil 1 AFE 0w-16 is the only $2x.xx, rest all are $30+
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