Walmart EV Charging Network - Finally Under Construction!

Same here, real lucky.
24 years ago at around the time I met my current wife she was renting the basement of her small home. Basement had an outside entrance in Nassau County Long Island. The rent was $1200 a month.

It consisted of a small kitchen, living room, bedroom, the tenants also had use of the washer dryer

24 years ago a place like that would rent easily at that pricewithin two or three days from the time you listed it
 
24 years ago at around the time I met my current wife she was renting the basement of her small home. Basement had an outside entrance in Nassau County Long Island. The rent was $1200 a month.

It consisted of a small kitchen, living room, bedroom, the tenants also had use of the washer dryer

24 years ago a place like that would rent easily at that pricewithin two or three days from the time you listed it
That wasn't cheap back them, but that was ballpark price for them. They go for a lot more than that now, and as you probably know they are illegal. Having said that no one cares because there are people renting them everyday.
 
That wasn't cheap back them, but that was ballpark price for them. They go for a lot more than that now, and as you probably know they are illegal. Having said that no one cares because there are people renting them everyday.
Yeah, that’s the amazing don’t look, don’t tell and then it doesn’t exist, of Nassau County living.
Really the only thing you can’t do with house rental apartment is use it to apply for a mortgage because it’s not legal two family residence.

And hope your neighbors don’t complain about it to the county. Which happens but not very often.
 
The correct time and place to charge an EV is at home at night when the existing power grid has a 50% surplus generating capacity. Using this generating capacity produces revenue for the utility without having to enhance "the grid" or generating capacity. Easy revenue which can be used to lower rates for daytime use or invest in ever more capacity and wiring/grid updates.

The wrongest time to charge is during the day at public chargers. Especially the 250-400 kW fast chargers which hit the grid hard for 10-20 minutes and then off again. Home charging hits the grid with perhaps 10kW load for 1-5 hours.

The correct time to fast charge has a lot to do with where you live.

In California this has changed dramatically in the last 20 years.
It's gone from 12AM to 4PM to 4PM-9PM.

This is when the massively cheap (as in the price the power companies pay producers) solar the power companies get from everyone goes down, but the lingering heat of the day still forces everyone to run AC.

There are only a few days a year where we go on alert or rolling blackouts in the longest heat waves - nothing last year. Given very few gas stations outside of the big truck stops have backup gens when power goes out fuel stops.

Its in this situation the guy that filled/ charged last is in the best shape an since EV's charge to full every night most are never more than one day out whereas the guy that waited all week to fill up and is close to empty is hosed unless he has a bunch of 5ers in his garage, but given CARB cant even make a gas cap you are going to get gas on you.

Im a bit more insulated from all this than most in that I have a 20KW backup genset mainly to because Mrs. UD and I work from home a lot and we get lots of small power hits during the year. If I needed to I could charge an EV and run my 5 ton AC overnight with no sweat.
 
Not terribly surprising few know because "public charging" is a very low priority to EV owners. Only gets the attention of ICE drivers who presume EVs need "Gas Stations" same as ICE.

When one departs from home every morning with a "full" (or as much as one desires) charge then there is no need for charging at Walmart. The only time public charging becomes an interest is on travel to distant cities. This is how Tesla selected sites for the Supercharger network in its early days (and still gives priority to). Put Superchargers on travel corridors, not "on every street corner."

I think I have used a Supercharger once in the past 5 years. Was this past year and mostly I was curious to simply get a splash and go for a 230 mile day. Bought $6 of electricity at $0.39/kWh just to have a bit of a buffer.
Agreed on the home charging. I have a 2011 Leaf and charge only at home and it is super convenient. I have a tough airbag problem (that's another story I'll tell later) and have had a 2018 Tesla Model 3 as a loaner for over a month. It's a nice car and I like a lot of things about it but I don't have a J1772 to NACS adapter so can't charge it at home. It is a massive annoyance having to take it out to a supercharger every few days. If I had it for any length of time I'd get an adapter and I would NOT own an EV if I had to charge it away from home. I'm busy and I'm usually tired during the times I have to do it.
 
You would be real lucky to rent a room for $1100 around here.
I expect this in the Bay Area, my parents went to HS in Santa Clara. They moved away for the last time almost 50 years ago. Uncle has had a house in SW San Jose since 1978, I'm sure he could not afford to repurchase his house at market value. Not that far from your stated location of Los Gatos.

But nationwide average 1100 for a 1 bedroom? We have an affordability crisis.
 
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Its in this situation the guy that filled/ charged last is in the best shape an since EV's charge to full every night most are never more than one day out whereas the guy that waited all week to fill up and is close to empty is hosed unless he has a bunch of 5ers in his garage, but given CARB cant even make a gas cap you are going to get gas on you.
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:) A bit presumptuous I think.
 
:) A bit presumptuous I think.
For sure not everyone suffers California gas caps which are a joke,

The scenario of what happens when the power goes out definitely happens.

Sometimes we'll lose power in a wind event that gets telegraphed a day or more out - After the paradise fire our governor decided to hold the power companies accountable for power line caused fires, so the net result is in the dry season when the wind is predicted to blow, the power companies simply shut off the power.

The part that amazes me is that even though people are told they STILL dont fill up.

There are only 2 gas stations within 40 miles with generators and huge lines form at these two places every time, if it goes on for more than a day they run out of gas. The worst was a 3 day event.
 
For sure not everyone suffers California gas caps which are a joke,

The scenario of what happens when the power goes out definitely happens.

Sometimes we'll lose power in a wind event that gets telegraphed a day or more out - After the paradise fire our governor decided to hold the power companies accountable for power line caused fires, so the net result is in the dry season when the wind is predicted to blow, the power companies simply shut off the power.

The part that amazes me is that even though people are told they STILL dont fill up.

There are only 2 gas stations within 40 miles with generators and huge lines form at these two places every time, if it goes on for more than a day they run out of gas. The worst was a 3 day event.
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I only made my comment because it's not only gasoline owners that dont fill up their gas tanks everyday. Same goes for EV owners and you presumed if you dont fill your gas tank everyday you have a problem if the power goes out... well you would be far better off here in with gasoline. Results might vary under certain conditions. But never in history of living on the easy coast did I think there would be a time I could not drive to a gas station even if power was out at my house.

Your area unique compared to much the country, there is always an area you can go to fill your vehicle with gasoline. IN 19 years of living mostly in SC and now NC we haven't lost power for more than 4 hours one time in the middle of the night. Not even a concern.
 
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I only made my comment because it's not only gasoline owners that dont fill up their gas tanks everyday. Same goes for EV owners and you presumed if you dont fill your gas tank everyday you have a problem if the power goes out... well you would be far better off here in with gasoline. Results might vary under certain conditions. But never in history of living on the easy coast did I think there would be a time I could not drive to a gas station even if power was out at my house.

Your area unique compared to much the country, there is always an area you can go to fill your vehicle with gasoline. IN 19 years of living mostly in SC and now NC we haven't lost power for more than 4 hours one time in the middle of the night. Not even a concern.
I disagree, but only because if I'm working my car is plugged in when I'm home. I drive just far enough that I top off when I get home regardless of my battery percentage.

I know not all do that though.
 
Keep ours plugged in all the time at home. When they're full to the pre-selected charge limit, they turn off the charging themselves. It's more convenient than gas, at least for us.
Better than gas. Don't hafta go to a gas station and pay all that $$. Even Costco is $4.90 for wannabe premium right now. Sheesh.
That big nuclear reactor in the sky fills my tank.
 
Better than gas. Don't hafta go to a gas station and pay all that $$. Even Costco is $4.90 for wannabe premium right now. Sheesh.
That big nuclear reactor in the sky fills my tank.
At our utility rates, solar will never pay for itself. However it would be a good hedge against problems with the grid, as with the winter storm in 2021, and on summer afternoons when conservation alerts go out from ERCOT. The family likes the house at 72 year round.

I got one quote and with a battery (single Tesla Powerwall) it was $40K. That seemed pretty high. $250/mo for 25 years was the financing they offered. Hard no on all of the above.

I might shop it around again at some point.
 
Agreed on the home charging. I have a 2011 Leaf and charge only at home and it is super convenient. I have a tough airbag problem (that's another story I'll tell later) and have had a 2018 Tesla Model 3 as a loaner for over a month. It's a nice car and I like a lot of things about it but I don't have a J1772 to NACS adapter so can't charge it at home. It is a massive annoyance having to take it out to a supercharger every few days. If I had it for any length of time I'd get an adapter and I would NOT own an EV if I had to charge it away from home. I'm busy and I'm usually tired during the times I have to do it.
A J1772 to NACS converter should be somewhere in the car. But as a loaner it is my guess a previous borrower "borrowed" it.

The converter is nothing but a piece of plastic with electrical connectors. Tesla speaks J1772 on L1 and L2.
 
I charge at only 5.6kw. It is adequate and less draw is almost always better for every part of the system.
Yes and no. Your EV has to fully power it's computer and controls to charge no matter 1.2kW or 11kW.

On Supercharging my Tesla seems to use more power as I hear fans and pumps running that I don't hear on L2.
 
Yes and no. Your EV has to fully power it's computer and controls to charge no matter 1.2kW or 11kW.

On Supercharging my Tesla seems to use more power as I hear fans and pumps running that I don't hear on L2.
It's still heating things up less, from the wiring in my garage, to the wiring in the car.
 
34% of the population rents that is significant
So? More apartment renters have access to swimming pools and tennis courts than homeowners. Apartments didn't used to have air conditioning, kitchens, washer and dryers (or connections), cable tv, broadband internet, etc. They got that through market forces and moving trucks. Craigslist now has a hard button option on search for "EV Charging".
Also most homes are not capable of charging 2 or 3 cars at night.
Little do you know. A Tesla Wall Connector will manage 4 or 5 on the same circuit. One at a time if need be.
The purpose of my post is only to highlight, we have a LONG way to go, I stand by 100 years if every vehicle was to be electric in our country of 300 million vehicles. Right now there are less than 3 million electric vehicles. Many states already out of power. Even our economy which technology companies bring in a windfall of revenue. Alphabet Inc. Microsoft, META to name a few already car trying to source power to run their data centers.

Texas is out of power to do it and wondering who will pay the billions to upgrade the grid, just to handle the growing business. EVs are not even mentioned. Google wanted to start up the shut down 3 mile island nuclear plant for its own use as an example.
Texas is only out of power due to their horrible "managed free enterprise" distribution, misguided push for wind power, and the banning of purchasing power from out of state.
 
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