Getting to the point where I'm not spending money on anything...

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Way back during the last week of 2022, I bought a Chevy Bolt LT from Carmax for just under $10,000.

It took them over six months to get the title because Florida DFCS had a lien on the vehicle for unpaid child support. The prior owner ended up agreeing to add the balance he owed to the vehicle he bought at Carmax, so right around July of last year, I finally got the title for the vehicle.

If I had the title back then I could have cleared about a $5000 profit but my wife during that time fell in love with it... which she never does. To her cars are like rolling appliances. But she does a healthy amount of dog sitting and even with a level one charger, she still has all the car she needs for her daily driving.

Two years. 15,000 miles. Our expenses look like this...

$40 for two new tires - I noticed a bulge on each of the front tires and they were a Walmart brand. Our dealership actually uses the nearby Walmart because there also is a car wash next door that we use for late model units, and their oil change prices make it cheaper for us to simply use them on our late model vehicles. The folks there replaced it for free. I just paid for the installation and incidentals.

$110 for fueling - About half the time we use the level one home charger and our electric rate has been between 6 to 7.5 cents per kWh. We average 5 miles per kWh and about half our charging is free thanks to a nearby Level 2 charger that gives us two free hours.

That's pretty much it. The Bolt has a regenerative setting where you push back the shifter and it'll go into a heavy braking mode. So a brake job will be a long while. The cleaning and detailing supplies I already have a ton of, and a Amazon $1 store seems to have a ridiculous amount of the stuff. I'm probably set until 2030.

All this makes me realize how, for most drivers who live and commute around town in temperate climates (and have reasonable charging costs), a cheap EV is likely going to become their new mode of daily transportation.

You can't beat the economics of owning one if they are built to ICE levels of economies of scale. There's a lot of doom and gloom about the Chinese dominating the global car market. But I think it will get a lot more complicated. Not just with tariffs, but I can see American, German, Japanese, and Korean governments continuting to provide massive grants and possibly wiping out certain debts to keep the jobs in their countries.

Who am I kidding? It's already happening.
 
Sounds good-except for Carmax selling vehicles they don’t hold the title for? That doesn’t seem right!

Every auction does it. They did give me a $500 adjustment in the beginning which brought the total paid to just under $10k. Back in 2022 it was a steal of a deal.
 
Sounds good-except for Carmax selling vehicles they don’t hold the title for? That doesn’t seem right!
when I bought my C-max, it had literally been traded in 24 hrs prior. old owners were still making payments, so they didn't have a clear title.
Dealership pays off that lien, rolls it into their new finance package for their new car, etc.
so I buy the car, with financing, expecting to get a Memorandum title in the mail in a week or so (fairly standard stuff)
a MONTH goes by, still haven't received a memorandum title...call up the dealership...the bank that had the Prior loan messed up. when the dealership paid off the loan, the bank sent the title to the old owners instead of the dealership. they had to get it from them, then send it in to the Current bank, etc.
they did send me $20 to cover any late fees with the BMV..( had been driving with the plates from my old car and the sales paperwork all that time, which is legal up to a month)
 
Sounds good-except for Carmax selling vehicles they don’t hold the title for? That doesn’t seem right!

So-when I bought my Silverado-the F150 that I traded in had an outstanding loan balance. Couple of days later the F150 was on their website for sale.

I believe Carmax isn't alone in this practice. These are big dealers...so I assume it's legal. I guess they can sell a trade-and chase the paperwork later.

If you have purchased a car from the dealer-this is what happens -
1) You sign a power of attorney for them to do DMV paperwork for you
2) You sign a document acknowledging the outstanding loan balance, where the loan is, etc. The same form has permission for them to pay off the loan for you in a certain amount of days.
3) You acknowledge the miles on the trade is true/correct.
So-there is a process that seems to make it legal.
 
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Nice.

Looks like my electric is 18.6/kWhr, and it isn’t temperate here in winter. Tempting for a runabout but we often hop into our cars and do 50 to 100 miles in a day. On Reddit I saw someone indicate they got 3.5miles/kWhr summer, 2.8 in winter on snows? no idea though how much heat they were running. Still. That's like 6c/m compared to what is probably 8 or 9c/m on my gas cars.

But my insurance is sky high right now (teen drivers) and next vehicle needs to be cheap enough to not need full collision. Else I'd save a grand on gas only to spend two on insurance.
 
Nice.

Looks like my electric is 18.6/kWhr, and it isn’t temperate here in winter. Tempting for a runabout but we often hop into our cars and do 50 to 100 miles in a day. On Reddit I saw someone indicate they got 3.5miles/kWhr summer, 2.8 in winter on snows? no idea though how much heat they were running. Still. That's like 6c/m compared to what is probably 8 or 9c/m on my gas cars.

But my insurance is sky high right now (teen drivers) and next vehicle needs to be cheap enough to not need full collision. Else I'd save a grand on gas only to spend two on insurance.
I pay almost 40c KWh, I wonder how that compares to my extremely low maintenance 50 mpg VW TDI.
 
I pay almost 40c KWh, I wonder how that compares to my extremely low maintenance 50 mpg VW TDI.
Ha! I just sold an 03 Golf TDI this afternoon.

It was in great shape but I did have to replace a couple of body panels for minor damage (hood and left fender) and replaced the brake booster. Sold it for $3995 to a helluva great guy who drove three hours with his Dad to pick it up.

Glad it's going to an enthusiast. Miles are 218k and it was kept up by a VW diesel specialist in Asheville NC.
 
Ha! I just sold an 03 Golf TDI this afternoon.

It was in great shape but I did have to replace a couple of body panels for minor damage (hood and left fender) and replaced the brake booster. Sold it for $3995 to a helluva great guy who drove three hours with his Dad to pick it up.

Glad it's going to an enthusiast. Miles are 218k and it was kept up by a VW diesel specialist in Asheville NC.
Ha! I was starting to think seriously about that one—literally was just looking up how far of a drive home it’d be.
 
You can't beat the economics of owning one if they are built to ICE levels of economies of scale. There's a lot of doom and gloom about the Chinese dominating the global car market. But I think it will get a lot more complicated. Not just with tariffs, but I can see American, German, Japanese, and Korean governments continuting to provide massive grants and possibly wiping out certain debts to keep the jobs in their countries.

Who am I kidding? It's already happening.
For the right use case, EVs can make a lotta sense. And their torque curve advantage is great around town.
Of course all cars have gotten pretty expensive, which makes EVs more attractive from a price standpoint than they otherwise would be.
What's a Civic cost nowadays?

The thing I like the best is no gas stations... It's great! Even when I do stop to charge, I grab a coffee or whatever. 15 - 20 minutes goes by like nothing. Dirt cheap electricity at home don't hurt none either...
 
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Yeah that's a huge no-no in the dealership world. What if something happened and you still didn't have the title?
At the wholesale dealer auctions, approximately 20% of the vehicles sell as title attached. The seller has, in most cases, 30 days to bring the title to the auction. If they don't, then the vehicle can be returned. The same policy is true at any Carmax auction.
 
OP mentioned "reasonable charging costs." I think that's all you need to say. It's a huge YMMV as evidenced by @Trav

Looks like I'm around .12 but peak usage hours muddy the waters. I paid more like .16 average for my last statement because peak usage increased average cost. Another YMMV for people

I still say if we get the majority of people driving EVs and they all drive home and plug in at 6pm, watch what happens to new definitions of peak hours ;)

Regardless I'm glad OP is happy and agree we should have choices and let the free market reign. If EVs are truly awesome, consumers will naturally head that way.
 
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