Walmart EV Charging Network - Finally Under Construction!

[alarmguy]

So? More apartment renters have access to swimming pools and tennis courts than homeowners. Apartments didn't used to have air conditioning, kitchens, washer and dryers (or connections), cable tv, broadband internet, etc. They got that through market forces and moving trucks. Craigslist now has a hard button option on search for "EV Charging".

Little do you know. A Tesla Wall Connector will manage 4 or 5 on the same circuit. One at a time if need be.

Texas is only out of power due to their horrible "managed free enterprise" distribution, misguided push for wind power, and the banning of purchasing power from out of state.

The verdict is already in. Tesla went from 50% growth three years ago to negative growth in the United States for 2024.

So even though you’re highlighting the possibilities for electric is certainly not even close to “being there” or even the public wanting them for all things in transportation.

I could care less if Texas is out of power, but your statement acknowledges a power issue in this country.
It’s just not Texas. There is major critical thinking taking place in Washington right now how to beef up the power grid so we could support technology companies before China overtakes us.
China is planning 75 nuclear power plants. The United States has trouble building two new ones because for decades now America’s have been irrationally scared nuclear power.

So even Washington is acknowledging we have a power problem and it’s far worse than electric vehicles.
We don’t have enough power for massive server farms that are needed for artificial intelligence before China overtakes us as a world power.
At the same time we’re supposed to have power to charge 300 million vehicles on the road when right now we don’t even charge 3 million vehicles on the road. The other 297 million run on gasoline and a small percentage diesel.

Since you brought up Texas, let’s bring up California, two years ago they were asking people to charge their cars off peak.

On Long Island, New York a couple decades back they spent $5 billion building a nuclear power plant and over $1 billion dismantling it because the public opposition.

In South Carolina that had two brand new nuclear plants being constructed and they after billions spent. It’s still just a hole on the ground because of mismanagement by Westinghouse Toshiba. Now the project completely dead.

My power company in the Carolinas ask us to turn down our thermostat for certain hours during the winter and turn it up certain hours during the summer as most of the country.

Even if we have the power, we then need all new distribution system to distribute it. At least with artificial intelligence, we could put server farms near the actual power plants, but we can’t move communities near the power plants to charge the cars.

I do think at some point some type of alternative to gasoline will come along that is feasible for everybody, but I think we’re about 100 years away from that.

By the way, China is a direct threat to us and we have nothing to combat them with as this artificial intelligence takes off without enough power to power the server farms.

 

[GrumpyCat]

The verdict is already in. Tesla went from 50% growth three years ago to negative growth in the United States for 2024.

Oh boo hoo hoo. You can make up things but not make them come come true.

Tesla's 2024 sales were down 25% vs 2023. But, double it in your retelling, and the next will double your lies.

"Things just happen, what the hell?" -- Terry Pratchett in "Hogfather"

So even though you’re highlighting the possibilities for electric is certainly not even close to “being there” or even the public wanting them for all things in transportation.

Oh. You speak for "The Public". I live in Backwards Alabama and see Teslas everywhere. Is even common to see a Ford Mach-E and occasional Lightning.

I could care less if Texas is out of power, but your statement acknowledges a power issue in this country.

You don't read very well. I didn't say Texas was out of power, I said Texas has totally mismanaged what they have.

It’s just not Texas. There is major critical thinking taking place in Washington right now how to beef up the power grid so we could support technology companies before China overtakes us.

And there lies the problem: the belief that Washington is the source of the solution. You bellyache about EV mandates then turn right around and expect mandates out of Washington to "fix" your problems.

China is planning 75 nuclear power plants. The United States has trouble building two new ones because for decades now America’s have been irrationally scared nuclear power.

Westinghouse-Toshiba is building those nuclear power plants.

So even Washington is acknowledging we have a power problem and it’s far worse than electric vehicles.
We don’t have enough power for massive server farms that are needed for artificial intelligence before China overtakes us as a world power.

The power will be found, if "massive server farms" are beneficial. You mistakenly assume that just because something is a current fad that it is necessary and beneficial.

At the same time we’re supposed to have power to charge 300 million vehicles on the road when right now we don’t even charge 3 million vehicles on the road. The other 297 million run on gasoline and a small percentage diesel.

We still have a surplus of generating capacity at night, the natural time for an EV to charge, at home, at a modest 10kW. What we don't have is capacity to charge at DCFC stations drawing up to 250kW per vehicle, during the day.

Since you brought up Texas, let’s bring up California, two years ago they were asking people to charge their cars off peak.

Everyone with T.O.U. billing is being "asked" to shift electrical consumption to off-peak. Not just EV charging.

On Long Island, New York a couple decades back they spent $5 billion building a nuclear power plant and over $1 billion dismantling it because the public opposition.

This is why we have states, to let individual states implement utterly stupid policies rather than implement nationwide.

In South Carolina that had two brand new nuclear plants being constructed and they after billions spent. It’s still just a hole on the ground because of mismanagement by Westinghouse Toshiba. Now the project completely dead.

Citation needed. The Cherokee Nuclear Power Plant was started in 1970 but never completed. This is talk of starting another nuclear plant in South Carolina but that hasn't started.

My power company in the Carolinas ask us to turn down our thermostat for certain hours during the winter and turn it up certain hours during the summer as most of the country.

When has such not been said?

Even if we have the power, we then need all new distribution system to distribute it. At least with artificial intelligence, we could put server farms near the actual power plants, but we can’t move communities near the power plants to charge the cars.

What facts do you offer other than parroting the media's popular narrative claiming our electrical distribution system is deficient?

I do think at some point some type of alternative to gasoline will come along that is feasible for everybody, but I think we’re about 100 years away from that.

Guess there is no point in trying because it won't work for 100 years yet!

By the way, China is a direct threat to us and we have nothing to combat them with as this artificial intelligence takes off without enough power to power the server farms.

Yeah, right. What if I told you AI has perfected EVs?

 

[97prizm]

After teasing their own massive EV charging network almost 2 years ago, Walmart has now started installing 400kW Alpitronic Hyperchargers in the Dallas area. Sounds like Phoenix area is next.

“Walmart plans to install new electric vehicle (EV) fast-charging stations at thousands of Walmart and Sam’s Club locations across the country”

https://corporate.walmart.com/news/...n-to-expand-electric-vehicle-charging-network

This guy lives near Bentonville and has a new channel tracking the new Walmart charging network.

I wonder how many are going to complain that it isn't free? I'm assuming by now most realize it costs money to charge. I saw one Walmart years ago that had setup charging. I was amused when a Tesla owners then a leaf owner get out and realize it wasn't free. The leaf owner yelled "come on I have to pay for charging? ".

 

[andrew_j]

Maybe this will help my states poor EV charging network. They dragged feet when money was available in NH and challenge is major industry is tourism however charging network is incredibly poor for tourists/common complaint compared to VT and ME. This has been highlighted by Ski NH.

We cater to skiers making sure all highways even during storm are drivable weekends with black pavement so your all-season equipped car gets to mountain. Very evident when you pass the entrance of ski areas as roads turn quite poor.

 

[Torrid]

Maybe this will help my states poor EV charging network. They dragged feet when money was available in NH and challenge is major industry is tourism however charging network is incredibly poor for tourists/common complaint compared to VT and ME. This has been highlighted by Ski NH.

We cater to skiers making sure all highways even during storm are drivable weekends with black pavement so your all-season equipped car gets to mountain. Very evident when you pass the entrance of ski areas as roads turn quite poor.

This definitely should help charger availability in areas with less available chargers. Walmart has everything and it’s a good place to attract travelers.

 

[E365]

Tom Moloughney from State of Charge charging at the first new Walmart charging station in Texas…

Rumors are Walmart will soon be announcing (finally, actually ) a massive charging network with the best charging equipment in the world…. All the latest 1,000v / 600A / 400kW Alpitronic and ABB units. CCS1 and NACS handles.

This will be huge news if 2,500+ Walmarts get 8+ chargers each. Supposed to be announced in the next couple weeks. “Tens of thousands” of chargers is what he was able to leak so far.

Walmart recently updated their app to include a very robust EV charging function. It’ll geofence and pop up as a main option when you open it and it sees you’re near a Walmart charger. Can start and pay for session on the walmart app. They’re definitely prepping for more than the dozen or so under construction right now.

 

[PandaBear]

I wonder how many are going to complain that it isn't free? I'm assuming by now most realize it costs money to charge. I saw one Walmart years ago that had setup charging. I was amused when a Tesla owners then a leaf owner get out and realize it wasn't free. The leaf owner yelled "come on I have to pay for charging? ".

To be fair nobody gives you a lot of free charging other than workplace.

Those free places probably are very slow or they jack up the things they are selling you in the store to make it up.

 

[JeffKeryk]

To be fair nobody gives you a lot of free charging other than workplace.

Those free places probably are very slow or they jack up the things they are selling you in the store to make it up.

Workplaces are generally subsidized, but not free, in my experience. Our Los Gatos library, which is flat-out amazing, has a few free chargers.

 

[E365]

Still kind of light on details, other than “thousands” of stores will get DC Fast chargers. A mix of CCS1 and NACS, but eventually all NACS

Summary at 35:30

 

[Brons2]

Tom Moloughney from State of Charge charging at the first new Walmart charging station in Texas…

Rumors are Walmart will soon be announcing (finally, actually ) a massive charging network with the best charging equipment in the world…. All the latest 1,000v / 600A / 400kW Alpitronic and ABB units. CCS1 and NACS handles.

This will be huge news if 2,500+ Walmarts get 8+ chargers each. Supposed to be announced in the next couple weeks. “Tens of thousands” of chargers is what he was able to leak so far.

Walmart recently updated their app to include a very robust EV charging function. It’ll geofence and pop up as a main option when you open it and it sees you’re near a Walmart charger. Can start and pay for session on the walmart app. They’re definitely prepping for more than the dozen or so under construction right now.

This may actually be one I use as we have long time friends (30+ years) that live in McKinney and I usually have to drive back into town to charge.

 

[E365]

Walmart is already up to 119 locations either open, under construction or permitted.

From “The Arkansas eTraveler” on YouTube.

 

[Brons2]

The verdict is already in. Tesla went from 50% growth three years ago to negative growth in the United States for 2024.

You are leaving out significant information in this statement. Elon Musk saw fit to alienate a significant portion of Tesla's potential customer base. Those people took their money and shopped elsewhere.

In no year in the US have overall EV sales suffered a year over year decline. FACT. The numbers are out there.

 

[alarmguy]

You are leaving out significant information in this statement. Elon Musk saw fit to alienate a significant portion of Tesla's potential customer base. Those people took their money and shopped elsewhere.

In no year in the US have overall EV sales suffered a year over year decline. FACT. The numbers are out there.

Agree and so do you. Im not sure what I am leaving out but will go back and look?
Fact - "Tesla went from 50% growth three years ago to negative growth in the United States for 2024."

Other than that I am not sure why your post, Im not even against EVs at all, sales are terrible and about to get worse unless they can lower the price. I just look at facts, there is price slashing all over and that is with taxpayer funded down payment. I am sure you will agree without the pubic paying people $7,500 per vehicle soon sales will go into the toilet, resales will take a small hit with the elimination of the $4,000 credit, I and the entire industry is looking to see what happens starting October 1st of the year though numbers wont be out until Jan for the last quarter.

Oh I see, that was in a reply to Grumpy Cat who mentioned Tesla having a device to charge multiple cars at once.
The rest of much those posts was the electric capacity of the USA which isnt even being tested yet. As there are only 10 million EVs on USA roads out of 190 million vehicles. I so look forward to see us at the 50 million mark, it will be interesting to see.

One thing is going to need to happen for the public to accept EVs, they need to get the price down as even with $7,500 we have an over supply.

Actually Dodge just announced they are killing development of their EV pick up truck

Hey, my son drives a BMW M50 or 40 EV, has another on order for next Feb but not the m50 version. Awesome cars. The reason for me EVs dont work out is cost and size. I cant get a reasonably priced larger SUV that does not look like a sports car at non sports car pricing. Example, Equinox EV is much lower and smaller profile than the Gas version. SO hands down my wife chose the gas. It was her decision.

Forget something the size of the Travese with a 5000 lb tow rating that I drive

 

[JeffKeryk]

The local Walmart has had chargers for years. No surprise as we have a lotta EVs around here. No one can afford the gas!

 

[alarmguy]

We have a brand new Walmart supercenter coming within the year. It will be interesting here on the coast what they do because it is slim pickings to charge up a car.
Anyway, as of right now, the foundation literally is being poured. There is an area off to the right that looks like it could be a fuel station, however, I have seen no fuel tanks and those monsters are hard to miss. I’m assuming being this is a brand new store they will have these chargers. Interesting times.

 

[JeffKeryk]

We have a brand new Walmart supercenter coming within the year. It will be interesting here on the coast what they do because it is slim pickings to charge up a car.
Anyway, as of right now, the foundation literally is being poured. There is an area off to the right that looks like it could be a fuel station, however, I have seen no fuel tanks and those monsters are hard to miss. I’m assuming being this is a brand new store they will have these chargers. Interesting times.

Wally wants you to plug in and come in to the store. Shop till ya drop.

 

[paqza]

@UncleDave
At least for now, CA residents have to remember that EVs are sparse in many areas of the country. Charging at Walmart was never an issue when we lived in South Carolina 2 years ago. The chargers in the parking lot were always available. This particular Walmart was right off of interstate i26 in Columbia SC

In our new coastal area there are around 4 available at the beach. Actually a reason to have one because even there, when there is no place to park, many times an open EV spot is available.

Keep in mind there are close to 300 Million vehicles registered in the USA we have a long way to go. But CA tops every state for EVs
Just something to keep in mind, your used to seeing EVs on the road, we see them and its not unusual but you can easily go out for the day and not see one. I firmly believe Lithium batteries will be replaced by something else to maybe better said. No one in this forum will be alive on the day battery powered EV penetration hits 50%... our grid cant handle it. Why I believe H2 or something else will be the thing should we continue the insanity of discontinuing fossil fuels and that isnt happening even if they want it to for another 100 years.

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Hydrogen doesn't make any sense for passenger vehicles. It has potential for long haul trucking and aviation. We could easily add the additional grid capacity to handle 50%+ EV adoption if we decided to.

 

[paqza]

My contention would be that battery EVs are not sustainable and I am not even sure there is a strong case to switch.
It should be whatever the buyer wants.

I do agree as I posted, it is possible to innovate the grid to handle things but that will take 100 years. One must ask, if you think it can be done sooner. The public will revolt at the cost, actually its already happening and we are not out of the gate.

Where are you getting this "100 years" number? Our grid looks different than it did 10 years ago and it's totally different than it was 30 years ago. With solar, wind, large scale storage, distributed storage, and V2L + V2H/V2G, the grid could be fundamentally reformed in 10-15 years relatively cheaply. The tech already exists, but oil lobbyists are keeping it from being deployed for obvious reasons.

 

[alarmguy]

….We could easily add the additional grid capacity to handle 50%+ EV adoption if we decided to.

well, if we end up with 100 million electric vehicle cars on the road, we will find out. But I strongly disagree that it will be simple. Never mind the people without the EV may somehow pay with higher electric rates as well.

 

[alarmguy]

Where are you getting this "100 years" number? Our grid looks different than it did 10 years ago and it's totally different than it was 30 years ago. With solar, wind, large scale storage, distributed storage, and V2L + V2H/V2G, the grid could be fundamentally reformed in 10-15 years relatively cheaply. The tech already exists, but oil lobbyists are keeping it from being deployed for obvious reasons.

And the reason for all the above?
Why are you against oil?
I’m not against any technology.

But that last line seems to answer the 100 year number of your first line.
In a nation that can’t even get a nuclear power plant built how will it be possible to power 200 million vehicles in the short amount of time you suggest. Most important would be why.?

Not only that but the vast majority chooses gasoline vehicles even when given $7,500 to buy an EV. Are you suggesting forcing the public buy one?

Sounds more dangerous than the oil lobby that you mention.