VW OIl Recommendations

[BobFout]

Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: robertcope
Originally Posted By: BobFout

As is 504.00, which I find interesting. (at least for the Golf, GTI and R). Come spring the GTI is getting ESP 5w30.


You might want to read your owner's manual again. The one that I've read says very plainly, in bold letters, that VW 504 is not suitable for most markets, only where fuel meets a very specific European spec.

Our Q5 owner's manual does not make that distinction.

I looked at a 2014 Jetta owner's manual, and it's the same as well.


The 2015 Golf, GTI and R manual also does not mention European fuel vs. North American fuel.

https://carmanuals2.com/get/volkswagen-golf-gti-2015-engine-oil-35862

 

[kschachn]

Originally Posted By: mojocvh
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: mojocvh
So the oil spec's back from 2002 match today do they

In the US, VW 502.00 is still a current spec, being recommended for all new gasoline powered VWs.

I was talking about OIL spec.

I believe that the majority of oils today, particularly those that "match the spec" provide less than optimum engine protection viz some environmentally driven agenda...


502 isn't an oil specification?

And it's nice you believe that. Anything specific to back that up with?

 

[Quattro Pete]

Originally Posted By: mojocvh
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: mojocvh
So the oil spec's back from 2002 match today do they

In the US, VW 502.00 is still a current spec, being recommended for all new gasoline powered VWs.


I was talking about OIL spec.

VW 502.00 is an OIL spec. I'm glad we are on the same page.

Quote:
I believe that the majority of oils today, particularly those that "match the spec" provide less than optimum engine protection viz some environmentally driven agenda...

VW 502.00 is not an energy conserving spec, if that is what you were referring to.

 

[robertcope]

Interesting that it is not mentioned in earlier manuals, but I think research would show you that VW 504 is really recommended in Europe. I doubt it will hurt anything, but I don't think it is the right oil for North America. I'm too lazy to go find all the supporting data.

robert

 

[Quattro Pete]

Is there something in the VW 504.00 spec that would make it unsuitable as it relates to our gasoline quality? I thought it may have been a low SAPS spec, but it is not. It has the same SAPS limit as VW 502.00.

 

[Kiwi_ME]

Here is the page from my model year 2015 Polo, the only page pertaining to oil. Weight and change interval is not mentioned. At first service the dealer installed a 10W-40 502.00 rather than the 5w30 504.00 I expected, but now I realize our fuel is tested to ASTM not EN 228.

I'm not sure what it is about EN 228 fuel quality that precludes the use of the longlife 504.00 in "a large number" of markets.

 

[Shannow]

Had an interesting VW related discussion the other day.

Had a part catalogue on my desk, open at the multi pages of oils on sale.

Another engineer wandered in .... "they are all the same you know"
"Sorry"
"All those oils are exactly the same, they just try to trick people into paying more by saying this one's better than that...they come off the same production line".
"Well what about viscosity...are they the same ?"
"Well no, but the ingredients are".

"Are you getting your brand new VW diesel serviced by VW?"
"Yes"
"That's good"

 

[robertcope]

I believe the difference is that fuel in the USA (and may other countries) has much more sulphur in it than European fuel does: http://transportpolicy.net/index.php?title=Global_Comparison:_Fuels

Apparently, the sulphur in the fuel alters TBN retention rates or something like that.

Interestingly, it appears that the USA is trending towards European standards in this area and plans to be on par with them in 2017.

I hope someone smarter and more educated than I am jumps in to make sense.

robert

 

[Quattro Pete]

Originally Posted By: robertcope
I believe the difference is that fuel in the USA (and may other countries) has much more sulphur in it than European fuel does: http://transportpolicy.net/index.php?title=Global_Comparison:_Fuels

Apparently, the sulphur in the fuel alters TBN retention rates or something like that.

That I know, but it would only matter if the 504.00 was a low SAPS oil. Is it?

 

[robertcope]

Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete

That I know, but it would only matter if the 504.00 was a low SAPS oil. Is it?


Yes, it is a low SAPS oil, at least as best as I can tell.

For example, from Mobil 1: "Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5w30 is a fully synthetic low ash engine oil approved by Volkswagen for petrol cars requiring the VW 504 00 oil standard and approved for diesel cars requiring the VW 507 00 oil standard."

From Motul: "100% Synthetic lubricant designed for VAG Groups latest cars (Volkswagen, Audi, Skoda, Seat) fitted with EURO IV and EURO V engines that require lubricants with low Sulphated Ash, low Phosphorus and low Sulphur rates. Compatible with Diesel Particulate filters (DPF)."

robert

 

[Quattro Pete]

Originally Posted By: robertcope
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete

That I know, but it would only matter if the 504.00 was a low SAPS oil. Is it?


Yes, it is a low SAPS oil, at least as best as I can tell.

For example, from Mobil 1: "Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5w30 is a fully synthetic low ash engine oil approved by Volkswagen for petrol cars requiring the VW 504 00 oil standard and approved for diesel cars requiring the VW 507 00 oil standard."

This is what puzzles me, because neither the 504.00 nor the 507.00 spec calls for low SAPS content. Yet, the oils that do meet these specs are low SAPS. Weird.

 

[Garak]

Do the specifications themselves have some basis on ACEA C specifications, versus the A3/B3 A3/B4 of the "full SAPS" VW/Audi spec?

 

[Quattro Pete]

Not sure. The oils that do meet VW 504.00/507.00 (like Mobil 1 ESP 5w30) do in fact list ACEA C2/C3 spec as well. But I have not found any reference to ACEA C spec when browsing through Afton handbook.

The 507.00 spec does have aftertreatment compatibility (DPF) as one of its goals, so it would certainly make sense that the oil be low SAPS to achieve it. I'm just puzzled that spec still shows the SAPS to be 1.5% max, unless it's a typo.

 

[Garak]

That could be, or perhaps they list, somewhere, that a C specification is the basis, while accidentally ignoring the SAPS limit of the basis in the first place. Are there any A3/B4 lubes you can think of that would meet the 504.00/507.00 specifications? I can't, but that doesn't mean I can't be wrong.

 

[RD_3]

Originally Posted By: Finklejag
The B5.5 Passat didn't have the VR6, it had the 30V V6


Correct. Nowhere did robert nor myself refer to the OP car as having the 24v VR6...we were merely discussing our old VR's