VW/Audi 1.8 Turbo Owners, which VW 502 approved oil are you using?

[TooSlick]

Cosmic Flash,

I have an SAE paper that describes part of the VW 502 testing, which is loosely based on the ACEA A3/B3 specification. I'll post the info when I get the chance. The VW "T-4" test basically involves a 248 hour run in the 2.0L, VW engine under varying loads, and no makeup oil is allowed. There are specific limits for cam/lifter wear, viscosity increase and TBN as I recall. It's a very severe test compared to any of the API engine sequence tests.

Info on the MB 229.5 tests is provided on the Lubrizol.com website ....I've yet to find any available info on the BMW or GM Longlife test requirements.

TS

 

[Pushslice]

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Originally posted by TooSlick:
Running a xw-40 is TOTALLY UNECESSARY in this motor - regardless of what VW recommends in their TSB. As long as you use an xw-30 that meets the ACEA A3/B4 and VW 502 specification you'll be just fine. VW is mainly recommending 5w-40 since this is an "idiot proof" way to go. By that I mean most 5w-40's are intended for European applications, hence they will tend to meet the VW 502 specs by default. You have to look around a bit more to find xw-30's like Amsoil and the GC, 0w-30 that meets or exceeds the VW 502 specs. I'd also have no reservations about running the Redline 5w-30/10w-30 in these motors,based on the analysis data I've seen.

TS

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I gotta agree. VAG is just taking the pragmatic approach with oils they know. I've been using Havoline Synthetic 5W30 on my '98 A4. OCI between 4k and 6k, depending on my mood
, UOI every other drain, w/ no problems. Just started using the larger oil filter last OC, btw. I do track days and AutoXs too, so this car is *driven*.

 

[CosmicFlash]

Thanks TooSlick

 

[thunderchild]

Audi TT 225 QR with M1 5w-40. I do 5000 mile OCI's. When the warranty runs out I will do 10000 OCI's with the new M1 EP formula.

 

[smith45]

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Originally posted by TooSlick:
Cosmic Flash,

I have an SAE paper that describes part of the VW 502 testing, which is loosely based on the ACEA A3/B3 specification. I'll post the info when I get the chance. The VW "T-4" test basically involves a 248 hour run in the 2.0L, VW engine under varying loads, and no makeup oil is allowed. There are specific limits for cam/lifter wear, viscosity increase and TBN as I recall. It's a very severe test compared to any of the API engine sequence tests.

Info on the MB 229.5 tests is provided on the Lubrizol.com website ....I've yet to find any available info on the BMW or GM Longlife test requirements.

TS

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Tooslick, when you get the chance I would love to to see the test req. for the 502 spec

 

[vwoom]

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Originally posted by smith45:

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Originally posted by TooSlick:
Cosmic Flash,

I have an SAE paper that describes part of the VW 502 testing, which is loosely based on the ACEA A3/B3 specification. I'll post the info when I get the chance. The VW "T-4" test basically involves a 248 hour run in the 2.0L, VW engine under varying loads, and no makeup oil is allowed. There are specific limits for cam/lifter wear, viscosity increase and TBN as I recall. It's a very severe test compared to any of the API engine sequence tests.

Info on the MB 229.5 tests is provided on the Lubrizol.com website ....I've yet to find any available info on the BMW or GM Longlife test requirements.

TS

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Tooslick, when you get the chance I would love to to see the test req. for the 502 spec

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Ditto on the interest.

Ok so this is the thread where I read about the relationship of ACEA A3/B3 basis to the VW 502.00 rating.

I wonder if a dino with A3/B3 approvals would pass for use then to the 1.8T? I have 10/04 to 01/05 circa HDEO Chevron Delo CI-4+ that shows the ACEA ratings E5, E3, E2(E2 & E3 were surpassed though, all exclusively HD diesels)...AND A3/B3.

http://www.acea.be/ASB/Download.nsf...00263CD9/$File/ACEA2004 oil sequences-DEF.pdf

p.s. I'd bet that if VW/Audi dealers had used this low cost hdeo instead of cheap bulk dealer oil from the start selling/servicing the VAG 1.8T..then this sludge recall wouldn't even exist, IMHO.

[ March 20, 2005, 05:27 PM: Message edited by: vwoom ]

 

[Ken2]

When the new Schaeffer #9000 full syn 5W-40 comes out in quarts and gallons (May?) it'll be an interesting choice.
"Supreme 9000 SAE 5W-40 meets and exceeds the following manufacturers’ specifications and requirements:...ACEA E5/E3/B3/A3, ACEA E-7-04; Duetz, Daimler Chrysler MB228.1/228.3, Daimler Chrysler MB 229.2, Daimler Chrysler MB228.5, Renualt RVI RXD, Volvo VDS-2 and VDS-3, MAN 271, MAN 3275, MTU Type 2 and Volkswagen VW 502.00, 505.00 and 505.01."
http://www.schaefferoil.com/datapdf/9000.pdf


Ken

 

[moribundman]

Will the Schaeffer oil be available in smaller quantities for us consumers? It looks to be an impressive oil.