Yes, it’s on the website riddled with grammatical errors. I kid of course. But its in my 2007 Ranger and the 2.3 seems to like it. Smooth.
It's going to act like a 10W when cold ... because it only meets a 10W per J300 specs.Old thread but HPL has a 10w20 with VII now. Possibly would behave more like 5w20 below freezing?
But wait… somebody claimed that HPL doesn’t follow any industry-standard testing or specsIt's going to act like a 10W when cold ... because it only meets a 10W per J300 specs.
Except when fuel dilution is 25% ... then it helps cold engine cranking, lol.Most oils suffer dramatically reduced cold start ability from fuel dilution ...
What's this? It's not in the No-VII category.Okay, first HPL does not have a 10w-20 with VII on their web page.
Regardless, fact is if HPL rated it as a 10W-20 multi-grade, then it meets the specs of SAE J300 for a 10W-20.I called HPL tech today and was told “both” 10w-20 were single grade.
Possibly a generic description borrowed from one of the other grades?
Why wouldn't you buy that then if you're trying to avoid VM?They currently offer a 5W-20 no VII if your application calls for a 5W-20.
If you are using it as opposed to a 30 weight due to the HTHS.Why wouldn't you buy that then if you're trying to avoid VM?
exactly, HPL NoVII 5w20 HT(H/F)S is close to other brands, but that 10w20 is something elseIf you are using it as opposed to a 30 weight due to the HTHS.
How is that? The PCMO 10w20 is nearly identical to the PCMO 5w20 with a 2.759 HTHS vs 2.771? The Euro 10w20 is again near identical to these with a 2.795 cP result.exactly, HPL NoVII 5w20 HT(H/F)S is close to other brands, but that 10w20 is something else
The PCMO 10W-20 has a significant cost benefit over the No-VII subset of oils.How is that? The PCMO 10w20 is nearly identical to the PCMO 5w20 with a 2.759 HTHS vs 2.771? The Euro 10w20 is again near identical to these with a 2.795 cP result.
If you wanted the truly stout 5w20 that "isn't", one would pick the Euro 5w20 which has a higher HTHS than some Xw30s (it's even higher than HPL's own PCEO 5w30!).
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Only if you're artificially limiting the OCI length based on factors other than oil and engine health, i.e. emotions or thought limitations.The PCMO 10W-20 has a significant cost benefit over the No-VII subset of oils.
The HPL PCMO 10W-20 is a fine product that you can use for extended intervals. It also has no VII's and is a little less expensive than the dedicated No VII product line. I'm not sure where you are going with your rant.Only if you're artificially limiting the OCI length based on factors other than oil and engine health, i.e. emotions or thought limitations.
If we arbitrarily, for purposes of comparison only at this point, assume a 20k OCI (which has been done in multiple engines and environments by a couple different HPL product lines at this point)- the No VII version would represent roughly an extra 1/8th of a penny, per mile, to get the HTHS of a 30 grade with the viscosity of a 20 grade, and zero concerns about the stability of viscosity index improvers. Put another way, it's an added expense of 63 cents every 500 miles of driving in this instance. Considering that even a bad cup of gas station coffee is nearly double this cost and on a daily basis, is the upgrade cost of the No VII line truly significant? It's been long ago established that HPL is not targeted at the WalMart shelf shoppers, nor arbitrary/OM-limited OCIs.
One of the use cases HPL used last week when talking lubricants with corporate engineers in the company I work for was an oilfield fracking operation; a fleet of twenty, 2500HP CAT diesels. CAT recommends 400 hour oil changes, and due to failures and other issues, "most" in this field were changing the oil around the 250 hour mark. After testing and validation, one of the companies running this operation extended their OCIs to 2000 hours (yes, a 5x increase in OEM-recommended change time), and even with the added upfront cost of HPL, slashed their maintenance costs by a full 50% from the switch to HPL over the CAT-recommended oil. I happen to know the person who runs this fracking operation, and he shared that a "typical" service to have a third party perform the oil changes runs $125,000 per team of 20 pumps. So would you rather pay $125k every 3 weeks, or once per quarter?? Does this directly cross to vehicle maintenance? Of course not, but service life of 3-5x with no loss of protection is a frequent finding when using HPL.
Journal bearing protection is actually more correlated to HTHS than it is to HTFS, since the shear rates in journal bearings tends to be around 10^6 1/s, the same shear rate used for the HTHS measurement.The heavier base oil viscosity in the HPL 10W-20 equates to improved dynamic viscosity, which can be beneficial for bearing wear under high loads. Based on the calculations in @Gokhan's spreadsheet, I think this product uses a heavier base oil than most 5W-30 oils.
Thanks for recommending Euro 5w20. That is a beast!How is that? The PCMO 10w20 is nearly identical to the PCMO 5w20 with a 2.759 HTHS vs 2.771? The Euro 10w20 is again near identical to these with a 2.795 cP result.
If you wanted the truly stout 5w20 that "isn't", one would pick the Euro 5w20 which has a higher HTHS than some Xw30s (it's even higher than HPL's own PCEO 5w30!).
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