Unknow OEM, '05 Maybach 57

[AEHaas]

2005 Mayback 57 delivered March 25th, 2005 with 175 miles on the odometer. I took a sample after driving 15 miles home from work. The car comes with a twin turbo 5.5 Liter V 12. It has 550 BHP and 660 Ft Lbs torque but I put in a Renntech chipset that they tell me gives another 150 torque. The stock 6,100 pound car (one I borrowed with 4k mile on the clock) did a 0 - 60 hop in 4.9 seconds. I will break it in some and try with the new chips later.

I ordered Red Line 5W-20 oil for my first oil change that I will probably do after at least 1,000 miles. The recommended oil is 0W-40 Mobil 1 although any 229.5 oil will do.

__________New ________Re Line 5W-20_______
___OEM Unknown Oil ___With X Mi __X Mi on the oil
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Iron__________17__________x__________
Chromium _____1__________x_________
Nickel ________ Aluminum ______24__________x___________
lead __________ Copper ________27_________x__________
Tin ___________4__________x_________
Silver ________ Titanium ______ Silicon ________20___________x__________
Boron ________69_________x_________
Sodium _______15__________x__________
Potassium ____ Molybdenum __ 589_________x_________
Phosphorus __1532________ x________
Zinc ________ 1421________x________
Calcium _____ 1769________x________
Barium ______ Magnesium ____1158_________x_________
Antimony _____ Vanadium _____ Fuel %Vol _____ Abs Oxid ______29__________x__________
Abs Nitr _______7__________x__________
Wtr %vol ______0_________x_________
Vis CS 100C __11.3________x_________
SAE Grade ____30_________x__________
Gly test ______NEG_______x_________
TBN _________not done_______x_____x

I left room for adding new data.

aehaas

 

[bighead]

Maybach?? Must be nice

 

[Korean_redneck]

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Originally posted by bighead:

Maybach?? Must be nice

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Hey,, lets not suck up on the rich people.

 

[TooSlick]

Dr Haas,

I've really enjoyed our conversations - of course my wife is beginning to wonder about all the strange men who keep calling me! LOL

So where do I send the bill for my RX???

The signature of this oil looks like a combination of the RL and Synergyn chemistries. It most certainly isn't GF-4!

The HT/HS viscosity of this oil is probably right around 3.5 Cp, given it's kinematic viscosity @ 100C. So the 3.3 Cp, shear stable RL 5w-20 should be fine, but I would keep a close eye on the bearing wear if you suffer fuel dilution from the short trips. That alone may necessitate a bump up in viscosity.

regards,

Ted

 

[AEHaas]

Ted recommended the Amsoil series 3000 5W-30 that I think is a very good option if I was to go thicker. It is 229.5 approved too.

After seeing that they started with a 30 wt oil with a lot of Moly the RL seemed as a good choice and I do like to be thinner than most people tolerate.

aehaas

 

[buster]

Two good choices. The Amsoil S3k is a very strong oil. I'd also consider the M1 5w-30 EP if your looking for a "thin" oil. In fact that might be your next best bet. Should thicken less then the Amsoil S3k and be close to a 20wt with 50% more PAO and a strong additive package.

 

[MGBV8]

For this money a question of oil spec must be part of deal.

RL is ester based, what is your view on esters?

 

[The Critic]

Doc,

Michael

 

[Ken4]

Is a Maybach basically the same car as a MB S600 except that it is made to look more luxurious?

 

[T-Keith]

Looks like a pretty stout oil, definately not SM.

-T

 

[AEHaas]

The Maybach is taller by 4 or 5 inches, several feet longer and probably 6 inches wider (than the S600). It is like 19 feet long for example. I do not have the exact stats at my finger tips. The car is very different. It is about 2,000 lbs heavier yet is faster. Yesterday I did a 4.8 0-60, 1/4 mile in 13.3 at 106 MPH. I cannot wait until it is fully broken in and I get the thinner oil in there.

Some interesting things:
There are 2 different a/c compressors, one for the back and one for the front. The alternator is water cooled and is 350 amps. It has a refrigerator. The turbos are both water and oil cooled. There is a power steering fluid cooling radiator. The turbo inter-cooler is water cooled - by a separate radiator system. It has a limited slip differential, not one of those wheel braking systems. The list is long.

aehaas

 

[Doug Hillary]

Hi,
AEHaas - for the life of me I find it quite amazing that you do not know what oil was in it from the factory! After all you write papers on oils!!

I suspect it is either;
Mobil SHC Formula MB 5w-30 or, (unlikely)
Mobil 1 Euro specced 0w-40 (AMG-MB factory fill)

Regards
Doug

 

[AEHaas]

I was told the car comes with Shell Helix Ultra and with this analysis it is the 5W-30. I am getting closer, more access to people who are the actual technical experts. It is slow going but I am making progress.

For example, I am trying to increase the hydraulic transmission pressure to get more through-put. It will make the car shifting more noticeable but get more BHP to the ground and increase MPG at the same time.

I did this to my old '92 MB 600SEL (was the car replaced by the Maybach) and got the car to start in first gear instead of second. It usually takes me a year of owning a new car to get it the way I want it.

aehaas

 

[MikeR]

Magnesium!!!

 

[pscholte]

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Originally posted by MikeR:
Magnesium!!!

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I think we'd better get used to it...seems to be the way Euro oils are going. Apparently, the ideal 2 to 1 ratio Ca to Mg for food supplementation of human beings does not apply to automobiles. That much magnesium in supplementation could cause a human's seals to...um-m-m-m...leak.

 

[G-MAN]

Look at all that phos and zinc! Higher than even HDEO oils. I'm wondering if this is some sort of special blend first-fill oil Shell does for Mercedes?

Is it true the Maybach doesn't use the Mercedes Flexible Service System and requires fixed mileage oil changes? If so, what is the recommended OCI?

 

[AEHaas]

If I remember correctly the OCI is 10,000 miles or 1 year. I do not usually pay attention to these things as I do more frequent changes in all my cars.

aehaas

 

[wavinwayne]

Can you please post a picture of your new ride, so we BITOGers can drool over it?

 

[AEHaas]

I can email pictures to somebody that can host them.

aehaas

 

[wavinwayne]

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Originally posted by AEHaas:
I can email pictures to somebody that can host them.

aehaas

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