Tula Ammo aka Tulammo

[BobFout]

Originally Posted By: BobFout
After reading many for and against about Tulammo, I picked up some yesterday. (.223, 9mm, .40)

Cycled fine through my AR-15, H&K USP Compact 40 and Ruger LC9.

In the AR, shooting a mix of Tula and PMC or American Eage, could not feel a difference in recoil or sound. Will find out tonight when I clean it if it's "dirty" or not.


Last week when I shot a mix of Tula, PMC, American Eagle (all .223) and Winchester 5.56, the Tula had noticeably less recoil. Not sure why the difference from the previous session...

 

[tom slick]

Originally Posted By: Durango
Robenstein,

Here in California it doesn't matter.... The range master will magnet test your ammo and if it gets picked up they will confiscate your ammo or ask you to leave the range. All the ranges will do this and since shooting ranges have been closing due to bad city politics there isn't many places to shoot unless you know a rich person with a private land to shoot on. That's why I say to anyone who goes to BIG 5! Tey sell this type of ammo for sale/shoot but here you can't shoot it.

Durango


You mean the Los Angeles area and some US Forest Service lands, not all of California.

My local range R.O.s enjoys the fireworks at night given off by shooting the steel plates with surplus ammo.

 

[Robenstein]

I have heard of ranges magnet testing the bullet, not the case in ranges in the bay area, but the whole case? Thats just dumb. Of course politicians that write gun laws rarely know anything more about guns than what they see on TV.

 

[yaris0128]

Originally Posted By: Durango
Robenstein,

Here in California it doesn't matter.... The range master will magnet test your ammo and if it gets picked up they will confiscate your ammo or ask you to leave the range. All the ranges will do this and since shooting ranges have been closing due to bad city politics there isn't many places to shoot unless you know a rich person with a private land to shoot on. That's why I say to anyone who goes to BIG 5! Tey sell this type of ammo for sale/shoot but here you can't shoot it.

Durango
Ive never been to a range that did this. Whats the point exactly?

 

[Durango]

yaris0128,

In Southern California the ranges do this to prevent forest fires. Right now were in fire season now so be sure they will magnet test the ammo you bring. It all boils down to insurance and the law.

Durango

 

[Robenstein]

But again, how does steel cased ammo start forest fires? So why ban it?

 

[Durango]

Robenstein,

It's not the casing itself but they take it for granted automatically that a steel cased ammo has a steel core bullet that can start a forest fires. That's why they use a magnet. If the magnet pickes up the entire bullet/casing they will reject it. Brand name doesn't matter.

The only other possible solution is to get/try some Hornady steel casing ammo. Since it's made in USA they will most probable allow this ammo to be used due to the bullet itself will have a lead core. I however haven't seen any of thi ammo in California to try..... Anyone know where I can find some that's reasonally priced?????

Durango

 

[BobFout]

Well, it's not Tula, but look what arrived today!

 

[2cool]

Our range here in Delaware magnet tests any of the military caliber ammo for steel cores. The given reason is that it beats the backstop too much. Seems to make sense, given that the purpose of the steel core was penetration. Anyway, in such a small state, any fliers would most likely hurt or kill someone. THAT's a really bad healine!

 

[BobFout]

Seeing as how the Tula and Bear ammo have steel cases, I bought 500 rounds of Hornady Steel Match .223 for target shooting.

http://www.hornady.com/store/223-REM-55-GR-HP-STEEL-MATCH/

 

[engineerscott]

Originally Posted By: 2cool
Our range here in Delaware magnet tests any of the military caliber ammo for steel cores. The given reason is that it beats the backstop too much. Seems to make sense, given that the purpose of the steel core was penetration. Anyway, in such a small state, any fliers would most likely hurt or kill someone. THAT's a really bad healine!


The purpose of the steel core in most Russian ammo is not penetration. Armor piercing ammo uses a hardened steel core. The Russian steel core ammo uses mild steel and does not notably penetrate hardened targets like steel plate any more that regular lead ball ammo. The Russians use the steel cores for cost reasons.

Unless you're buying Russian ammo that is marked as armor piercing then you're getting unhardened steel core ammo that will basically penetrate hard targets similar to regular ball.

 

[Robenstein]

This is true. It is not like the SS109 5.56 NATO load that has a 62 gr bullet designed to be a penetrator. The Com Bloc stuff is meant to be made in bulk and on the cheap. Old Chinese ammo is often built the same way.

 

[2cool]

Thank you, engineerscott, for the enlightenment. I figured that the steel core was on par with the SS109 for the M16A2.

 

[HyperJinx]

Quote:
I'd have thought the polymer coating mitigated that?


Nope, thats the stuff that may likely get gummed up in the chamber.

The AR is a fine rifle but its not going to take kindly to steel cased ammo, dirty powder and some strange case coating.

 

[BobFout]

Originally Posted By: HyperJinx
Quote:
I'd have thought the polymer coating mitigated that?


Nope, thats the stuff that may likely get gummed up in the chamber.

The AR is a fine rifle but its not going to take kindly to steel cased ammo, dirty powder and some strange case coating.


Someone should tell Hornady....

http://www.hornady.com/store/Steel-Match-new

 

[HyperJinx]

I have never used hornady ammo but I have had my share of cheapo russian steel cased-coated 223/5.56 and I can tell you that it did not take long to cause my AR's to fail (fail to eject). I never had any problem before and never again after I stopped using that ammo. Just my observation with my rifles in my specific situation.

 

[BobFout]

Originally Posted By: HyperJinx
I have never used hornady ammo but I have had my share of cheapo russian steel cased-coated 223/5.56 and I can tell you that it did not take long to cause my AR's to fail (fail to eject). I never had any problem before and never again after I stopped using that ammo. Just my observation with my rifles in my specific situation.



How long is not long? As a test I shot 2 or 3 30 rd mags of Tula in my AR (this is my thread after all

) without issue.

The rest of the ammo fired that session was name-brand US brass cased stuff. Total rounds fired was only 200.

Rifle is cleaned after each firing session.

 

[Robenstein]

The only AR's I have seen that wont eat Russian ammo is the ones without a chromed chamber and bore. My Colt upper eats steel as good as brass.

Actually it was the lacquer coating that caused sticky rounds. The new coating was designed to mitigate that.