Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Same Honda who are reducing their bearing radial clearances, and increasing the projected surface areas to improve the safety margin running 20 (and lower) oils ?
Both actions increase the drag of these energy conserving oils.
As to the linked puff piece, note that the back spec is to reduce greenhouse emissions - the new CAFE
Be careful when you mention CAFE here or the new CAFE, wow. Soon they'll tie it into some kind of conspiracy, then start reading your mind. LOL
Yep, the tin foil hat line is getting old.
Read the stuff provided and the really IS Gov't involvement in the move to thin oils. OMG, it's as plain as the nose on your face.
I'm still going to use what I want. I pay very close attention to oils as longevity is a huge cost consideration here in our fleet. And if a new vehicle recommends a certain oil I will most likely use it, but if my instincts say different it is my vehicle, right? Thus I'll do what I want, and the enviro-weenies can do what they want.
Then everybody is happy!
Well said Steve. You see as soon as the Gov't, Uncle Sam, or anything else that remotely implies the Gov't is mentioned, the conspiracy bomb is dropped. Then you're called paranoid, etc. I found it very entertaining, although a few times I had to watch the keyboard. I'm glad there are a few others who see it as I see it. I'm with you, I'll use what I think is best. The whole point of what I was trying to convey was having a choice and not have to worry about a warranty. Years ago we had warranties and choices, those days are gone. But like I said last night, I have the warranty issue covered, and still can have my cake and eat it. So all is fine and dandy here.
It seems some members would like us to believe our engines are engineered so well today that heat, severe service, towing, climate, etc. have no real impact on them. They even write nice articles about their testing and publish their results. These new engines and oils they call for have been tested, re-tested and tested again. Their design is perfect, and problem free. Did I miss anything? But then you read about OLM's being reprogrammed because the interval is to long causing problems. A BITOG member following the OLM and using the recommended oil having major engine problems. Coincidentally he wasn't the only one having a problem with that particular Honda engine. Then problems with fuel delivery, soot, and the oil companies are asked to design an oil to deal with the new technology issues. Then we have poor cylinder head designs forcing three revisions in less than a year, cam phaser issues, timing chain problems, sludge monsters, etc. Funny isn't it? Those engineers knew best though. Seems to me a lot of the testing falls on the consumer. Do all engines have problems? No. Are the engines and oils of today better than 10 years ago? Sure! Are all engines perfect and worry free? No. Does one size fit all? Sorry guys I still don't think so. JMO
