Teslas have highest accident rates per 1000 drivers highest of any auto brand.

I’m surprised Subaru is that high. Around here they tie with Toyota and Honda drivers as the most infuriating thing to be stuck behind.
During any sort of snow event, Subarus are always the first to hit the guardrails or end up in a ditch.

They're always the worst drivers! I have a theory Subaru drivers buy them because they're terrified to drive in the snow...and aren't much better on dry roads! I have no idea why anyone in Phoenix would buy a Subaru.
That's one thing that does frustrate me. They market the cars as being good in weather. Sure, you're less likely to get stuck in a parking lot with AWD but what stops you from getting in a wreck in the snow is good tires. Unless you get one of the wilderness models, the tires that come on them are definitely not proper for snow.
 
During any sort of snow event, Subarus are always the first to hit the guardrails or end up in a ditch.


That's one thing that does frustrate me. They market the cars as being good in weather. Sure, you're less likely to get stuck in a parking lot with AWD but what stops you from getting in a wreck in the snow is good tires. Unless you get one of the wilderness models, the tires that come on them are definitely not proper for snow.
It seems here lots of Subaru drivers are the "belt and suspenders" types, running snow tires and going slow!
It interesting that the Outback has a very low death rate compared to the "average" vehicle even though they seem to get into lots of accidents? If everyone drove a 2020 Outback like the average Outback owner there would be only about 5000 driving fatalities per year in the US, compared to the current 40000.
Or if everyone drove a 2020 RAM megacab 2500 4x4 like those typical drivers, there would be about 80000 deaths per year.

https://www.iihs.org/ratings/driver-death-rates-by-make-and-model
 
That would not be true, assuming your number is correct. It's just the age demographic that owns Outbacks and where there are driven.
Yes, but everyone could drive with less risks, which would reduce deaths/injuries by quite a bit. Just goes to show that the driver still matters a lot.
Also it seems the Outback is a pretty solid vehicle, as you would expect even a less risky demographic to be driving a Buick Enclave but it has 2 to 4 times the death rate.
 
All kidding aside, I could see Audi and BMW drivers buying them. What bothers me is if someone wants to drive one like a nut and kill himself fine, but don't do it when innocent people are around. A lot of us just want to get from point A to point B alive. Including TSLA and BMW drivers!
That might be a side effect of the power. I'd say for those buying even just the Long Range models are likely buying the fastest/quickest cars they've ever owned, especially if they're not typically performance car buyers. Without that love for it, there may be a lack of respect for the power by just not understanding how quick it really is.
 
Don’t believe it, hearsay, no more or less than any other brand car.
Maybe, but I think it's pretty safe to say most Tesla buyers didn't buy it as their first car and due to cost I'd be looking at comparably priced vehicles they would have owned before it. I thought there were a couple of studies showing that the newest adopters to EVs were previous BMW, Mercedes, and Audi owners. I used to have 10 year old Jags if that counts. 😂
 
That might be a side effect of the power. I'd say for those buying even just the Long Range models are likely buying the fastest/quickest cars they've ever owned, especially if they're not typically performance car buyers. Without that love for it, there may be a lack of respect for the power by just not understanding how quick it really is.
It probably is, that doesn't make people driving it like an a-hole right. That's really the only point I'm trying to make. If a person wants to beat on a car they should do it at a track, not on a roadway where they can kill innocent people. I guess my age is starting to show. ;)
 
Don’t believe it, hearsay, no more or less than any other brand car.
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Camry and accord drivers going from double digit 0-60s to sub 5 really quick
 
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Camry and accord drivers going from double digit 0-60s to sub 5 really quick
I'd be curious to see how that breaks down not of total buyers, but percentage of those manufacturers buyers. I have a feeling the way that breaks down that BMW at 6.7% would be a much higher percentage of their overall sold cars than Toyota.
 
It seems here lots of Subaru drivers are the "belt and suspenders" types, running snow tires and going slow!
It interesting that the Outback has a very low death rate compared to the "average" vehicle even though they seem to get into lots of accidents? If everyone drove a 2020 Outback like the average Outback owner there would be only about 5000 driving fatalities per year in the US, compared to the current 40000.
Or if everyone drove a 2020 RAM megacab 2500 4x4 like those typical drivers, there would be about 80000 deaths per year.

https://www.iihs.org/ratings/driver-death-rates-by-make-and-model

I'm not sure how other Subaru models pan out, but my Forester liked to hydroplane in slush. The first set of tires I had on it (hankook ipike RW11) were terrible. The Sumitomo Ice Edge were better, but it just didn't do well in the slush. I suspect it was the light weight? The Grand marquis that I replaced it with does much better on the highway with the same exact set of tires. It weighs 500 pounds more and I have added a lot of weight for winter traction. I couldn't imagine how unstable mine would have been on the factory yokohama all seasons.

As for fatalities; Subarus are very safe vehicles. That might be why they have low fatality?
 
True, but 6.6 to 4.2 for a Long Range is pretty dramatic.

Not saying it isn't.
Was just correcting a comment made that an accord takes over 10 seconds to reach 60 mph.
When discussing such topics, a slight error is one thing, but an enormous mistake is another.
If the average Accord does 0 to 60 mph in about 6 seconds, then saying they are double digit cars is an enormous mistake.
 
Instrumented testing has the Accord at nonhybrid Accord with the 192-hp turbocharged 1.5-liter four-cylinder went from 0–60 mph in 7.3 seconds while the faster 204-hp Accord hybrid's 0–60 time was 6.5 seconds.

https://www.caranddriver.com/honda/accord


Drastically under double digits even in those examples.
A friend has an Accord, it accelerates just fine.
I don't need a stop watch to tell it is quicker than you posted, just by feel it is well under double digits to 60 mph.
 
Not saying it isn't.
Was just correcting a comment made that an accord takes over 10 seconds to reach 60 mph.
When discussing such topics, a slight error is one thing, but an enormous mistake is another.
If the average Accord does 0 to 60 mph in about 6 seconds, then saying they are double digit cars is an enormous mistake.
All depends on how old their last Accord was. If was say a 2014, there were models that barely broke 10 seconds.
 
Drastically under double digits even in those examples.
A friend has an Accord, it accelerates just fine.
I don't need a stop watch to tell it is quicker than you posted, just by feel it is well under double digits to 60 mph.
I think you are loosing the forest for the trees. Toyota and Honda owners are moving in the metric ton to tesla.
 
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