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True story. Seriously.The safer your car the more reckless you can be.
Teslas have highest accident rates per 1000 drivers highest of any auto brand.
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All the turn signals in CA are broken.
That depends on what you think of the car company...
Pontiac? Saturn?
I know GTOs were king of the street back in the day, but what about What about my Oldsey?
I'm feeling a little shortchanged here...
From a statistics standpoint, how many Pontiacs are even on the road today? And of those, how many see 10K per year? I don't know of a single Pontiac, or even Saturn, that is in daily use today.
These numbers appear to be bogus.
Vehicle accident rates are always and everywhere the fault of the drivers involved and never the car. It is up to the driver to understand any car's quirks and to drive with them in mind. For many of us this is second nature but there are also those who never learn.
With a BMW, you at least are sure to get brakes and handling to match the car's acceleration, but this is not true of all really quick cars.
With a BMW, you at least are sure to get brakes and handling to match the car's acceleration, but this is not true of all really quick cars.
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It is likely reasonable to assume most TSLA owners have higher ACT/SAT scores, can rock statisics exams, and have a higher percentage of STEM degrees, when compared to non TSLA owners.
At the same time, many TSLA owners likely couldn't walk through the woods 500 meters at 30 degrees, with a functional compass and end up within 100 meters of where they should end up. The very intelligent TSLA owners probably have challenges critically thinking in crisis/conflict situations.
Being super smart does not necessarily translate to life skills of a defensive driver.
At the same time, many TSLA owners likely couldn't walk through the woods 500 meters at 30 degrees, with a functional compass and end up within 100 meters of where they should end up. The very intelligent TSLA owners probably have challenges critically thinking in crisis/conflict situations.
Being super smart does not necessarily translate to life skills of a defensive driver.
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One of those uppity Pontiac drivers...
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Think he had the ability to change the oil and filter?
Well, Spock could mind meld with whales, so there's that...
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Your post "so there's that" reminded me of this line from the movie Caddyshack.
What did the Dalai Lama say to Carl Spackler?
But, in the story recounted by Spackler, the Dalai Lama leaves without giving him a tip. Spackler: "And I say, 'Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know. ' And he says, 'Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness.
There is some truth in that statement. I'm told that when ABS was introduced there was no reduction in the number of accidents. It should have resulted in a significant drop in accidents as cars could stop faster in poor conditions and you could now steer under heavy braking. But no, people tail-gated more and drove faster in poor conditions.The safer your car the more reckless you can be.
RAM drivers seem to shine here in the winter months during snow. They seem to think that 4WD means you can go for it in snow. That's the only time of the year BMW takes the back seat. That's probably because Daddy doesn't want his PITA kid wrecking the car, so it sits in the garage.
I don't think so. I rarely see Teslas doing anything but going near the speed limit. I think Tesla drivers are distracted / not engaged / reliant on ADAS.
I've felt for years that Tesla and BMW could merge and both companies could win for it. Tesla knows electric powertrains while BMW can do the chassis tuning and has general engineering and manufacturing "tribal knowledge" that's worth more than Elon thinks. The way things are going, though, TSLA would absorb BMW like AOL absorbed Time Warner 20 years ago.
Tesla subsidizes insurance for its owners, and will for as long as it sells cars... then expect that switch to be rudely flipped.
Tesla subsidizes insurance for its owners, and will for as long as it sells cars... then expect that switch to be rudely flipped.
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I not sure on a macro level TSLA drivers are distracted. I speculate they are not fluent as a group on situational awareness.
I don't think so. Tesla's goal is making cars that drive themselves and appeal to the broadest audience. You can argue about their recent success or commitment, but BMW is still ostensibly making drivers' cars and luxury cars. Tesla wants to be Silicon Valley Toyota, not BMW. Obviously BMW has and will have to pivot as everyone targets self-driving abilities. Even though there is overlap in some of their current customer base, Tesla probably believes the things BMW is good at are useless anachronisms.
Nanny systems are merely an aid but they are not meant to replace common sense and good habits but they are often used negligently. For example, there's nothing wrong with blind spot monitoring but using it instead of checking your mirrors and maybe looking over your shoulder is simply dumb. Reliance on technology brings its own risks. A tool is only ad good as the person using it.
When I was a kid we didn't wear helmets when biking and skating. I had a buddy whose mom made him wear a helmet, pads, the works. He was the one who always got hurt because he got too cocky and because we encouraged him. Of course, maybe he would have been just as reckless without the safety gear.
Agreed. You can't fix stupid. So we band aid it. This is the crux of the Tesla 2M vehicle "recall". The recall is to improve the Nag, nothing more.
Sounds like his Mom was right. Maybe he would have ended up dead instead of hurt.
Or he might not have felt like he was Iron Man and he might have been more careful. I should find out what became of him.
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