Teslas have highest accident rates per 1000 drivers highest of any auto brand.

[StumblingElk]

I've been saying this for years. Tesla claims they have the "safest " vehicles on the roads but with their ridiculous repair costs and lack of serviceability shows maybe why so many are scrapped.
Tesla forbes article

Wait....are you talking accident rates? Bc that's a very different thing than repair costs

The headline indicates to me that the high accident rate is probably due to the self driving features.

Then again, article states Ram and Subaru are VERY close to Tesla concerning accident rates.

 

[alarmguy]

That's for another thread-make sure you dig up the (dead) horse and get your whip to beat it again.

Oh you mean that cars with high accident rates insurance cost is not a factor?
Dead Horse? How can that be in a thread about high accident rates?
I find your thought process interesting.

 

[BillyHW]

Is it a problem with the car or the driver?

 

[Blueshound]

Is it a problem with the car or the driver?

Yes

 

[97prizm]

Wait....are you talking accident rates? Bc that's a very different thing than repair costs

The headline indicates to me that the high accident rate is probably due to the self driving features.

Then again, article states Ram and Subaru are VERY close to Tesla concerning accident rates.

Yeah accident rates. Elon makes statements about how safe teslas are with the autonomous driving features but this shows otherwise. This could be part of the reasons there is an issue with repair costs if Tesla drivers have this many accidents.

 

[97prizm]

Is it a problem with the car or the driver?

I'm thinking a bit of both.

 

[proveitwithdata]

I doubt it's the algorithm when you see them chasing cars weaving in and out at high speeds. If I had to bet, the algo is responsible for less accidents than the jackasses making high speed maneuvers chasing one another.

I have seen this happen in multiple regions across the states, but at least they use their turn signals regardless of brand...should count for something right?

 

[demarpaint]

I have seen this happen in multiple regions across the states, but at least they use their turn signals regardless of brand...should count for something right?

I haven't noticed the turn signals, I'll have to look harder next time. I think they have both hands on the wheel, and no time to use a turn signal.

 

[Leo99]

We have our fair share, but BMW takes the title, with TSLA gaining ground.

My wife and I have noticed that, too. Seems Teslas don't have turn signals.

 

[Kira]

My 2 cents:
It's just to darn bad our nation doesn't have a thorough mass transit system.
Easier public transportation would blunt demand for vehicles and likely provide downward force on the prices thereof.

2 more cents:
With all the tech advances -which we as consumers pay for- in every corner of our lives, it seems silly to me that we have to climb this tech ladder as fast as we possibly can.
What's the big deal with these autonomous cars? Train automation has growing pains and there the traffic is on rails.

As an irony, an automated train failure resulting in a crash knocks out one or more train lines for compounded inconvenience.

Everybody has to be in a car so they can be the master of their own destiny. I get that...and they want auto-driving options too?

It's sounds like the tech giants are fostering demand for products we don't need.
It seems that the big boys will do anything to remove people from any situation they can. It's always better to amortize capital expenditures than hire people.
So they have us paying for separate little cars each with its own steering parts and rates of acceleration and detector arrays.

More street cars and busses, please. Keep your personal high tech chariots on the drawing board

 

[UncleDave]

This Forbes article is actually referencing one lenders data - lending tree.

Their findings are interesting.

The cliff notes if you dont want to read. Copied directly from the article.

• Across 30 car brands analyzed, Ram has the worst drivers. Nationally, Ram drivers had 32.90 driving incidents (accidents, DUIs, speeding and citations) per 1,000 drivers from Nov. 14, 2022, through Nov. 14, 2023. Tesla (31.13) and Subaru (30.09) were the only other brands whose drivers had incident rates above 30.00.
• Mercury has the best drivers in the year analyzed. Mercury drivers had 15.82 incidents per 1,000 drivers nationally — less than half the rate of incidents among Ram drivers. Pontiac (16.24) and Saturn (16.84) followed.
• Looking closer, Ram has the worst drivers in 23 states. That means Ram drivers had the highest incident rates of any brand analyzed in nearly half of all U.S. states. Of the states where Ram dominated, drivers were worst in Massachusetts at 64.44 incidents per 1,000 drivers. Meanwhile, Tesla drivers were the worst in 11 states — the only other brand in the double digits.
• Tesla drivers have the highest accident rate. From Nov. 14, 2022, through Nov. 14, 2023, Tesla drivers had 23.54 accidents per 1,000 drivers. Ram (22.76) and Subaru (20.90) were the only other brands with more than 20.00 accidents per 1,000 drivers. Meanwhile, Pontiac (8.41), Mercury (8.96) and Saturn (9.13) were the only brands with fewer than 10.00 accidents per 1,000 drivers.
• BMW drivers have the highest DUI rate by a wide margin. BMW drivers had 3.13 DUIs per 1,000 drivers — nearly twice the rate of DUIs among Ram drivers (1.72), the next-highest ranking auto brand. On the other end, Mitsubishi (0.89), Volvo (0.92), and Mercury and Kia drivers (both 0.93) had the lowest DUI rates. Just nine of the 30 brands analyzed had DUI rates below 1.00 among their drivers.

 

[SwampSurvivor]

I think the problem with a lot of Teslas is they are a (relatively) cheap but VERY fast car. It's easy for someone to get themselves into a vehicle that far exceeds their driving skill.

This Forbes article is actually referencing one lenders data - lending tree.

• Mercury has the best drivers in the year analyzed. Mercury drivers had 15.82 incidents per 1,000 drivers nationally — less than half the rate of incidents among Ram drivers. Pontiac (16.24) and Saturn (16.84) followed.

Because they're all retired people driving to church, doctors office, drug store, bingo hall. And they don't commute.

 

[demarpaint]

This Forbes article is actually referencing one lenders data - lending tree.

Their findings are interesting.

The cliff notes if you dont want to read. Copied directly from the article.

• Across 30 car brands analyzed, Ram has the worst drivers. Nationally, Ram drivers had 32.90 driving incidents (accidents, DUIs, speeding and citations) per 1,000 drivers from Nov. 14, 2022, through Nov. 14, 2023.

RAM drivers seem to shine here in the winter months during snow. They seem to think that 4WD means you can go for it in snow. That's the only time of the year BMW takes the back seat. That's probably because Daddy doesn't want his PITA kid wrecking the car, so it sits in the garage.

 

[StumblingElk]

Yeah accident rates. Elon makes statements about how safe teslas are with the autonomous driving features but this shows otherwise. This could be part of the reasons there is an issue with repair costs if Tesla drivers have this many accidents.

Repair costs have to do with the platform and overall low number of Teslas in circulation

 

[ecotourist]

Those Tesla owners are probably ex Beemer owners.

Being an ex-BMW owner and a current Tesla owner I agree with you. Being used to fantastic handling (the BMW) and now fantastic acceleration (the Tesla) you have the feeling you could slip into any open spot in traffic.

Good thing I'm an older guy and try hard to avoid crashes. But I do have the feeling I could slip into any open spots in traffic.

 

[KCJeep]

Tesla driver's here are quite pedestrian, never seen one being driven aggressively, or even fast that I can remember, and I notice that stuff.

Most likely to fly by you in the left lane at warp speed, Challengers, Chargers and VW's. Although the Dodges may just be trying to provoke me in my Mustang. Sometimes it works LOL.

Most likely to be just generally driving stupid, I'll echo the previous WRX comment. BMW's not great and all of them have no turn signals.

 

[vavavroom]

The safer your car the more reckless you can be.

 

[ecotourist]

My wife has another theory. The "other worldly acceleration" of Teslas surprises other drivers.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

My 2 cents:
It's just to darn bad our nation doesn't have a thorough mass transit system.
Easier public transportation would blunt demand for vehicles and likely provide downward force on the prices thereof.

Rail is incredibly expensive and consequently requires a heavy dose of subsidies outside of paying customers. Rail subsidies contribute to the high fuel taxes in Europe. I don't think there's one profitable rail system in the world. IOW there's no such thing as a free lunch.

 

[Kira]

Thanks for the insights.
Just for the record, I never thought or said anything was a free lunch.
Rail is one thing and light rail is another and busses are another. We have tracking tech nowadays which makes "waiting for busses" a lot easier. Other tech can enhance other transportation methods.

The kernel of my "thought salad" is that it seems foolish and wasteful to have each car be an expensive, tech-heavy traveling machine when other methods of transportation can, with a little improvement, fulfill a lot of needs.