Tesla has the highest death rate of any manufacturer

Actually @edyvw can we get your input as to why then? You don't want to give any credence to the speed involved and we're now ignoring the software and screen. What's left? What's your 2 cents for the car brand that has broken the crash test metrics?
 
Actually @edyvw can we get your input as to why then? You don't want to give any credence to the speed involved and we're now ignoring the software and screen. What's left? What's your 2 cents for the car brand that has broken the crash test metrics?
I have no idea. Only thing I know, it has highest death rate=least safe vehicle.
Enjoy your iPad.
 
I'm honestly tempted to add a mount to add my iPad and iPhone to the car and take a picture to show all my screens. You know, for the 'gram as they say.
 
I have no idea. Only thing I know, it has highest death rate=least safe vehicle.
Enjoy your iPad.

I alluded to this most top safety picks have higher accident and or death rates.

I would tend to think it’s the who and how driving them causing the problems.

Many old “dangerous “ vehicles have lower accidents per capita than newer safe vehicles
 
I alluded to this most top safety picks have higher accident and or death rates.

I would tend to think it’s the who and how driving them causing the problems.

Many old “dangerous “ vehicles have lower accidents per capita than newer safe vehicles
I'll take new tech and not driving it like an idiot. I can't account for what others are doing.
 
This is a joke that many will unfortunately try. There's just a shortage of intelligence and no shortage of availability of tech.
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I think that more of a performance buyer's metric... Ya think?
But it does beg the question why so many vehicle manufacturers, etc. publish those numbers, so you may have a point there.

Did you know the 0-60 metric became popular because that was considered "Highway speed"? So yes, it is possible that that the average buyer is concerned for acceleration, at least they could be disappointed with a turd. Adequate acceleration is important for safety, such as avoiding a crash.

So acceleration is a reference point, right? Most modern cars have sufficient power, so head-to-head comparison is not so necessary. But for those who want something special, there are performance cars and they tout their numbers.

I hope this helps. LOL.
I drove a 59 HP MB diesel and never found it unsafe or a challenge to drive, in fact it was a very comfortable drive on long trips, saying acceleration is a safety thing is absolutely ridiculous.
I would bet you that the majority of average car buyers have little interest in 0-60 or top speed. I will take your lunch money on that bet. LOL
 
But the manual is inconsistent. The feature is called "full self-driving". The dictionary definition of "full" is "Containing all that is normal or possible; complete in every particular". Combine that with "self-driving" and the literal definition of the words imply you should be able to take a nap while the car drives you to your destination. Now later in the manual it warns you shouldn't rely on it. Is the self-driving really "full" or not "full"? What is one to believe?

The Tesla corporation is being irresponsible using such misleading words to describe this feature. And their drivers are being irresponsible for not interpreting the self-contradictory manual in a more reasonable way.

You raise a valid point. It does sound like you read the material and despite the inconsistencies and lack of accurate definitions understood what I assume to be the clearest part of the manual being that you shouldn't rely on it. It sounds so simple but I don't see a name change of the system as changing any of the user issues.
 
I agree the name is dumb and misleading, but it could be named something along the lines of BlueCruise or SuperCruise and the fanbase would still hype it up to the level of stupidity I see daily.
I dont agree with that. I see those two words as a good example of how such an aid should be labeled. Tesla is wrong in the way it is worded, we need to accept that.
I knew when my nephew drove from NY to SC and told me he used Super Cruise for 8 hours of the 10 hour trip and thought it was so cool that it occurred to me that those words do not imply full self driving (even though it is but its not as it needs drivers to pay attention) but that is just me and I think reasonable as the car company is not labeling it in such a way to imply "self driving" super cruise sounds like cruise control on steroids to me and I suspect much the population.
 
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I dont agree with that. I see those two words as a good example of how such an aid should be labeled. Tesla is wrong in the way it is worded, we need to accept that.
I knew when my nephew drove from NY to SC and told me he used Super Cruise for 8 hours of the 10 hour trip and thought it was so cool that it occurred to me that those words do not imply full self driving to even self driving/ but that is just me and I think reasonable as the car company is not labeling it in such a way to imply "self driving" super cruise sounds like cruise control on steroids to me and I suspect much the population.
I don’t disagree with your assessment, I just don’t think it matters what it’s actually called for the Tesla base. Geofencing is how it should be done. The learning on the fly behavior doesn’t impress me at all.
 
... The learning on the fly behavior doesn’t impress me at all.
Agree but humans are defective. Because of this we blame others for our mistakes/not being responsible. A significant portion of the population now subscribes to this new thinking that we are not responsible and it's someone else fault. Wording of features and products must and are carefully done. Such as when buying coffee and the cup has HOT Warnings on it *LOL* My god!

I do think the Tesla wording pushes that in such a way that for the mindless portion of pop tart generation that we will see some kind of further regulations. Im just rambling, finishing up my first coffee.
My wife new Equinox has (we just learned last night) Parking assist, it will find a space to parallel park steer the car but still keep driver engaged with instructions on braking and applying gas if needed using step by step instructions on the screen. I know this is not the same tech as a Tesla and BMW but looks pretty complete, have not tried it yet. My point was the use of the word "ASSIST" constantly.
The lane assist is much the same. That I tried briefly last night, not sure how comfy I was with it, it was kind of a straight road but I noticed as the car drifted toward the side of the road it corrected back the other way. Again, I know this is not as complete as Tesla or BMW (I think I need to try it more) but all the words are "assist" Maybe it is much the same, have no clue, also something about sign recognition.
 
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Agree but humans are defective. Because of this we blame others for our mistakes/not being responsible. A significant portion of the population now subscribes to this new thinking that we are not responsible and it's someone else fault. Wording of features and products must and are carefully done. Such as when buying coffee and the cup has HOT Warnings on it *LOL* My god!

I do think the Tesla wording pushes that in such a way that for the mindless portion of pop tart generation that we will see some kind of further regulations. Im just rambling, finishing up my first coffee.
My wife new Equinox has (we just learned last night) Parking assist, it will find a space to parallel park steer the car but still keep driver engaged with instructions on braking and applying gas if needed using step by step instructions on the screen. I know this is not the same tech as a Tesla and BMW but looks pretty complete, have not tried it yet. My point was the use of the word "ASSIST" constantly.
The lane assist is much the same. That I tried briefly last night, not sure how comfy I was with it, it was kind of a straight road but I noticed as the car drifted toward the side of the road it corrected back the other way. Again, I know this is not as complete as Tesla or BMW (I think I need to try it more) but all the words are "assist"
Lane assist is just that, an assist if you’re not paying attention and get too close to the edge or the lane. The GTI could handle sweeping curves on the highway just fine like this because it would follow the line in a curve, but it’s not the intended use, which is why in a straight line left to do its thing with no hand on the wheel if it hits a line it’ll just correct in the other direction and can start the pogo side to side movement.

Some cars do have highway steering assists that can be used to keep the vehicle centered in the lane and is somewhat hands off.

We definitely need truth in advertising here, but as far as I can tell Tesla is the only bad actor with naming schemes.
 
I drove a 59 HP MB diesel and never found it unsafe or a challenge to drive, in fact it was a very comfortable drive on long trips, saying acceleration is a safety thing is absolutely ridiculous.
I would bet you that the majority of average car buyers have little interest in 0-60 or top speed. I will take your lunch money on that bet. LOL
That's why I said most cars have sufficient acceleration; perhaps you missed that part?
Acceleration metrics are published by manufacturers and reviewers; perhaps they have a reason so you might wanna check with them.
Now performance car buffs are interested in acceleration.

I loved my '64 Bug with the 40 HP pancake. Great car!

I hope this helps.
 
I drove a 59 HP MB diesel and never found it unsafe or a challenge to drive, in fact it was a very comfortable drive on long trips, saying acceleration is a safety thing is absolutely ridiculous.
I would bet you that the majority of average car buyers have little interest in 0-60 or top speed. I will take your lunch money on that bet. LOL
They are interested actually in torque and 20-80mph acceleration. Mazda did observational study of that that led them to introduce turbo engines.
 
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