Thank you. You get it. Numbers alone don't necessarily show everything. A great example of this is accident rates in the USA vs the UK and South Africa. On paper the USA looks horrible as the number of accidents seems high but there are 338 million people living here. Per mile driven the UK and South Africa have 8 times more accidents than the USA.
Tesla has the highest death rate of any manufacturer
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Rarely mentioned but worth noting.
Most of the so called “safest vehicles “ paradoxically have the highest death rates associated with crashes they are involved in. This isn’t just a Tesla problem.
Many “death traps” outside 2/3 wheelers have fewer accidents and lower death rates.
The most dangerous cars on the road have been in the new owners hands <6 months
Many very old vehicles have lower than normal per 1000 accident rates.
Oh here we go, waiting for Keryk to chime in with his 10 second nonsense. Do you really think average people/car buyers give a rats rear about 1/4 mile times? LOL
What gets me is Cadillac had hud as an option all the way back in 2000ish with the sts I think. Inknow GM offered it on a number of corvettes years ago as well. I'm fairly sure Mercedes offered it on certain S class vehicles back in the day. For Tesla being a "Tech company " I'm surprised that isn't something offered since day one.
No I don't think the average driver even knows what it means. That's my point. They're buying the cars and not realizing how much power is on tap. They're ill equipped to use it.
Funny you mentioned aircraft. I had a professor in college who was a pilot with United and furloughed. She mentioned early on that a number of pilots disliked flying Airbus aircraft as they tended to "take care of themselves " and not necessarily get the pilot in the loop. Look.at the one that crashed into trees at the Farnbourough air show many years ago.
You might be able to build a Factory Five Type 65 Coupe and get it on the road for under $50k, with the right tires & driver it should get into the 11s. And it's not just a lead sled but a great handling car too. And you wouldn't have to worry about getting distracted - it will demand your full attention!
I don't know of any new unmodified production car you could buy for under $50k that will do this. Teslas that quick are well over $50k.
There's nothing to dig in. Unless you're changing a major setting which I don't even know what that thing would be, I can't think of a single reason to get into the menu. I set everything up when I picked the car up and the only things I've ever changed while driving was the automatic climate's temperature which is always on the bottom of the screen, the seat heater, and the steering wheel heater. All of this is always on the bottom of the screen in the same place even if you opened the settings menu.
Volume? It's on the wheel like every other car out there. Next or previous track or channel? You guessed it, on the steering wheel. I swear you just make up scenarios in your head. It's odd they pulled so many buttons, but I assure you all the stuff you normally use is not hidden at all. It's visible without entering another menu. If it's not the whole bottom button row is customizable so you can add the settings you want. For me I put the steering wheel heater on it and Spotify, which is what I use for all listening in the car.
If I get in my wife's Model 3 it remembers all my settings from my car and everything is in the same place I put it in both cars.
I paid $44k. It does 11s. There's discounts. Any idiot can buy one if they qualify for a loan. Seriously. The well over $50k ones are even faster.
I think that more of a performance buyer's metric... Ya think?
But it does beg the question why so many vehicle manufacturers, etc. publish those numbers, so you may have a point there.
Did you know the 0-60 metric became popular because that was considered "Highway speed"? So yes, it is possible that that the average buyer is concerned for acceleration, at least they could be disappointed with a turd. Adequate acceleration is important for safety, such as avoiding a crash.
So acceleration is a reference point, right? Most modern cars have sufficient power, so head-to-head comparison is not so necessary. But for those who want something special, there are performance cars and they tout their numbers.
I hope this helps. LOL.
Yeah, it would be a good trick to build that fast a Cobra kit car for $50 large.
Our new Model 3 Performance was $55 large and is a 10 second car. Go to the 40 second mark for the 1st run.
That guy has great taste in color combos.
Interestingly enough my car has the black alcantara door inserts instead of the white. The car on my screen in my car shows the white door inserts. I've got to say I think I like it better with the black alcantara.
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If you want to adjust anything it is in the middle of the car on the screen. It is not intuitive. It is there bcs. cost. Nothing else. Oh, the best one, lights. Amount of Tesla’s roaming during dense fog bcs. sensor cannot pick it up bcs. brightness.
Your argument: “there is nothing to adjust,” is applicable to other vehicles too. You can adjust everything and call it a day. Yet, people adjust it all the time bcs. they are hot, kids are hot, cold etc. And all that is not in line of sight and on touch screen.
Add FSD, “autopilot.”
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HUD is standard on many MB’s and best in business is BMW where it is standard on many. But they are using it longest too.
I just rented X7. Excellent HUD. Only most important info is projected so you are not overwhelmed.
You say all of this as someone who doesn't drive one. The climate one is the dumbest one yet. It's on the main screen. You don't even enter another menu. Do I need to take a picture of the screen to show you?
The lights are on the left stalk. I can't speak to the stalkless models.
Autopilot is just what they call adaptive cruise. Do you even understand what you're referring to?
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Tesla calls auto pilot adaptive cruise? The article points to problematic advertisement. We talk that numerous times.
Screens are not only Tesla’s problem. Others also moved to that direction and messed it up. Yes, others have it there. But there is fundamental problem with touchscreen operations during driving, Tesla or not. Not to mention that Tesla doesn’t project most important info in front of you. Tesla started that trend, but it is not excuse for others. But others kept info in front of driver.
No one has problem with that, until they have a problem with that. And problem has to happen only once.
You haven't a clue what you're talking about. Just say you don't like Tesla and move on. You don't have to make up crap because you have never actually used it. Again, I'll take pictures and explain how it all works if you're actually receptive to how it works, but I'm not willing to waste my time if you just want to whine and complain.
Technically Autopilot is just the suite of options that include adaptive cruise, lane keep assist, and autosteer which is a reduced version of FSD that does not auto change lanes or actually route to a destination. This is what anyone just wanting the car to go down the highway and keep it between the lanes without much intervention. It's not going to drive you across town stopping at stoplights like FSD will. I took this picture earlier when I stopped to pick my daughter up from school since we were talking about the features earlier. I have mine set to adaptive cruise and I have lanekeep and autosteer off.
I would have said my VW was easier to use with its buttons, but I still had to look way down the dash to press what I needed when using climate control. Even then all I did was what I've done with the Tesla, set the desired temperature and let auto climate do the rest. I rarely even change the temperature. Beyond that I just used the steering wheel controls for everything else like I do with the Tesla. I don't think the lack of buttons is as important as I even criticized before daily driving a Tesla. Everything is higher on the dash than it was in the VW.
The only time I touched the screen otherwise in either car was if I was changing my media I was listening to, but I mostly listen to podcasts and I'd keep a playlist of what I wanted to listen to. My only interaction is using the skip feature to jump past ads, which is on the steering wheel of both cars.
Maybe other people get way more involved playing with screens while driving, but I'm just not one of those people. As I've said many times, I take driving and being involved in the driving process very seriously. It's not hard to plan ahead.
Edited to add that I don't know what most people do, but I can assure you the way I use the car in no way resembles the crazy scenario you've assembled in your head. It's about as straightforward an experience as you can get. I can't account for people doing stupid things. The stuff you actually use on a daily basis is within arms reach without selecting another menu first.
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Ok, then let’s just stick to data: Tesla is least safe vehicle.You haven't a clue what you're talking about. Just say you don't like Tesla and move on. You don't have to make up crap because you have never actually used it. Again, I'll take pictures and explain how it all works if you're actually receptive to how it works, but I'm not willing to waste my time if you just want to whine and complain.
Technically Autopilot is just the suite of options that include adaptive cruise, lane keep assist, and autosteer which is a reduced version of FSD that does not auto change lanes or actually route to a destination. This is what anyone just wanting the car to go down the highway and keep it between the lanes without much intervention. It's not going to drive you across town stopping at stoplights like FSD will. I took this picture earlier when I stopped to pick my daughter up from school since we were talking about the features earlier. I have mine set to adaptive cruise and I have lanekeep and autosteer off.
I would have said my VW was easier to use with its buttons, but I still had to look way down the dash to press what I needed when using climate control. Even then all I did was what I've done with the Tesla, set the desired temperature and let auto climate do the rest. I rarely even change the temperature. Beyond that I just used the steering wheel controls for everything else like I do with the Tesla. I don't think the lack of buttons is as important as I even criticized before daily driving a Tesla. Everything is higher on the dash than it was in the VW.
The only time I touched the screen otherwise in either car was if I was changing my media I was listening to, but I mostly listen to podcasts and I'd keep a playlist of what I wanted to listen to. My only interaction is using the skip feature to jump past ads, which is on the steering wheel of both cars.
Maybe other people get way more involved playing with screens while driving, but I'm just not one of those people. As I've said many times, I take driving and being involved in the driving process very seriously. It's not hard to plan ahead.
Yet it has the highest crash ratings across the industry. Can't account for stupid though.
