Tesla has the highest death rate of any manufacturer

[demarpaint]

Agree but humans are defective. Because of this we blame others for our mistakes/not being responsible. A significant portion of the population now subscribes to this new thinking that we are not responsible and it's someone else fault. Wording of features and products must and are carefully done. Such as when buying coffee and the cup has HOT Warnings on it *LOL* My god!

I do think the Tesla wording pushes that in such a way that for the mindless portion of pop tart generation that we will see some kind of further regulations. Im just rambling, finishing up my first coffee.
My wife new Equinox has (we just learned last night) Parking assist, it will find a space to parallel park steer the car but still keep driver engaged with instructions on braking and applying gas if needed using step by step instructions on the screen. I know this is not the same tech as a Tesla and BMW but looks pretty complete, have not tried it yet. My point was the use of the word "ASSIST" constantly.
The lane assist is much the same. That I tried briefly last night, not sure how comfy I was with it, it was kind of a straight road but I noticed as the car drifted toward the side of the road it corrected back the other way. Again, I know this is not as complete as Tesla or BMW (I think I need to try it more) but all the words are "assist" Maybe it is much the same, have no clue, also something about sign recognition.

Talking about driver's assistance aids, self driving, safety devices, etc. On a recent trip to Florida I had a new 2024 Hyundai Tuscon. It had a lane change warning system/blind spot safety device [whatever they call it], that could easily lure someone into a false sense of security, very easily in fact. Overall I liked the system, however more than once the system failed to notify me of a vehicle in the "blind spot." This old timer learned to drive by turning his head and actually looking, and no matter what I will never trust the technology 100%!! On more than one occasion the system did not alert me to a car that was in the same spot it had alerted me to on other instances. When I learned to drive having a mirror on the passenger side of the vehicle was an option, and many cars weren't equipped with it. Don't get me started on ESS, what garbage that is. I had a few rentals with it now, and I found it very easy to get the car to stumble if I needed to take off quick. A big no thanks for that! Thank God it can be disabled. Flame suit on.

 

[alarmguy]

Talking about driver's assistance aids, self driving, safety devices, etc. On a recent trip to Florida I had a new 2024 Hyundai Tuscon. It had a lane change warning system/blind spot safety device [whatever they call it], that could easily lure someone into a false sense of security, very easily in fact. Overall I liked the system...

Yeah, the new Equinox has this too. Amber "X" lights up in the outside mirror of whatever side of the car another car is next to you. Always pays to look, my concern is also for motorcycles should they not be detected properly.

 

[ecotourist]

I've said it a million times with any car my goal when not pushing a vehicle is to drive it as smooth as possible. I feel like that's an important skill, especially with passengers. I think a lot of that came from many years driving manual transmissions.

Somewhere back in the mists of time I heard that one of the tests for a driver for the Royal Family was to be able to drive so smoothly that a bottle on the floor wouldn't roll. The prospective driver would be expected to drive at a high rate of speed of course, with that bottle staying put.

Apocryphal? Maybe, but the story makes a point.

It seems to me that driving as smoothly as possible was one of the race winning strategies for Jackie Stewart too. You'd have to think that driving smoothly would make your car more likely to hold up in a long race than vigorous lurching around.

 

[4WD]

Somewhere back in the mists of time I heard that one of the tests for a driver for the Royal Family was to be able to drive so smoothly that a bottle on the floor wouldn't roll. The prospective driver would be expected to drive at a high rate of speed of course, with that bottle staying put.

Apocryphal? Maybe, but the story makes a point.

It seems to me that driving as smoothly as possible was one of the race winning strategies for Jackie Stewart too. You'd have to think that driving smoothly would make your car more likely to hold up in a long race than vigorous lurching around.

But then the jerk behind them flies past and slings a soft drink against the Royal Rolls Royce

 

[4WD]

Yeah, the new Equinox has this too. Amber "X" lights up in the outside mirror of whatever side of the car another car is next to you. Always pays to look, my concern is also for motorcycles should they not be detected properly.

Even my Jeep has those in the mirrors - but when I go to Houston I tend to put on rear camera view - especially the Tahoe …

 

[Torrid]

Somewhere back in the mists of time I heard that one of the tests for a driver for the Royal Family was to be able to drive so smoothly that a bottle on the floor wouldn't roll. The prospective driver would be expected to drive at a high rate of speed of course, with that bottle staying put.

Apocryphal? Maybe, but the story makes a point.

It seems to me that driving as smoothly as possible was one of the race winning strategies for Jackie Stewart too. You'd have to think that driving smoothly would make your car more likely to hold up in a long race than vigorous lurching around.

That's long been my thought. I think there's a skill to it in general. As a passenger I hate being jerked around in a car. As a driver I have the ability use finesse for my own comfort. It has to be easier on tires, brakes, and driveline not constantly shocking them with force.

 

[ecotourist]

But then the jerk behind them flies past and slings a soft drink against the Royal Rolls Royce

I think you'd spend a bit of time in His/Her Majesty's lock up for doing that. Try doing that to the US President's limo and you'd get the same result.

I was once almost run off the narrow and winding roadway when we met a "large car" near Balmoral Castle. Don't know who was driving, but there would have been no passing that beast. I believe I mentioned the expected "high rate of speed".

 

[4WD]

I think you'd spend a bit of time in His/Her Majesty's lock up for doing that. Try doing that to the US President's limo and you'd get the same result.

I was once almost run off the narrow and winding roadway when we met a "large car" near Balmoral Castle. Don't know who was driving, but there would have been no passing that beast. I believe I mentioned the expected "high rate of speed".

I think you are too serious and have mastered the obvious

 

[4WD]

That's long been my thought. I think there's a skill to it in general. As a passenger I hate being jerked around in a car. As a driver I have the ability use finesse for my own comfort. It has to be easier on tires, brakes, and driveline not constantly shocking them with force.

Seems there is a dichotomy of sorts - they have to drive fast but the bottle does not move - so how does one get up to speed - that was the basis of my joke …

 

[Trav]

That's why I said most cars have sufficient acceleration; perhaps you missed that part?
Acceleration metrics are published by manufacturers and reviewers; perhaps they have a reason so you might wanna check with them.
Now performance car buffs are interested in acceleration.

I loved my '64 Bug with the 40 HP pancake. Great car!

I hope this helps.

What exactly is considered "sufficient acceleration"? Obviously 0-60 in 30 seconds was sufficient for you with the VW, you thought it was a great car.

 

[Torrid]

What exactly is considered "sufficient acceleration"? Obviously 0-60 in 30 seconds was sufficient for you with the VW, you thought it was a great car.

I only brought it up because I don't think the average consumer even thinks of it, but if it's fast, some people will still use all of it. Sufficient would be enough that the consumer doesn't complain it's slow. At that point I'd guess that number for a modern car to be around 8 seconds to 60, but there are definitely many normal cars faster than that. Most are these days.

 

[edyvw]

Possibly your most informative post ever... Dunno if it is true or not, but it is interesting.

This was also discussed before.
2.5T engine is the result of that. They literally followed people to school and back.

WHat is informative or not, is individual thing.

 

[edyvw]

Talking about driver's assistance aids, self driving, safety devices, etc. On a recent trip to Florida I had a new 2024 Hyundai Tuscon. It had a lane change warning system/blind spot safety device [whatever they call it], that could easily lure someone into a false sense of security, very easily in fact. Overall I liked the system, however more than once the system failed to notify me of a vehicle in the "blind spot." This old timer learned to drive by turning his head and actually looking, and no matter what I will never trust the technology 100%!! On more than one occasion the system did not alert me to a car that was in the same spot it had alerted me to on other instances. When I learned to drive having a mirror on the passenger side of the vehicle was an option, and many cars weren't equipped with it. Don't get me started on ESS, what garbage that is. I had a few rentals with it now, and I found it very easy to get the car to stumble if I needed to take off quick. A big no thanks for that! Thank God it can be disabled. Flame suit on.

Nah it is not that.
It is speed. On Friday, dinner parties: What do you drive? Tesla.
Is it fast? Man, it is the deadliest vehicle out there.

 

[demarpaint]

Nah it is not that.
It is speed. On Friday, dinner parties: What do you drive? Tesla.
Is it fast? Man, it is the deadliest vehicle out there.

Not in the dinner parties I go to, no one owns one or plans on buying one. In fact none of us would even consider one. I guess you could say birds of a feather flock together. We all voted the same too. I better hide..............

 

[Torrid]

Not in the dinner parties I go to, no one owns one or plans on buying one. In fact none of us would even consider one. I guess you could say birds of a feather flock together. We all voted the same too. I better hide..............

Good to know a wide friend base and an open mind are your two strong suits.

 

[demarpaint]

Good to know a wide friend base and an open mind are your two strong suits.

Yep, and I get along with everyone.

 

[Torrid]

Nah it is not that.
It is speed. On Friday, dinner parties: What do you drive? Tesla.
Is it fast? Man, it is the deadliest vehicle out there.

Maybe I'm just blinded by the fact that I just don't take stupid risks and most people must not think that way. i don't use any of the asinine driving features though.

I just saw an ad on Facebook for wheel edge protectors for Teslas. I make the mistake of asking why all of these idiots keep curbing their wheels. The answer? It's not me, it's the FSD. Ok, then stop using it!

 

[Fair enough]

The question is what exactly contributes to death rate in that particular Hyundai. Is it age of drivers, texting, or vehicles has poor crach test results.
Tesla has very good crash test results, so we can eliminate that as an issue. It leaves distraction. Tesla is far, FAR from being an ergonomically sound vehicle. The whole point of HUD system, same like in airplanes, is to have most important data straight in front of you. Tesla does not have that, and has all data in the middle of the vehicle. Add Auto-Pilot, FSD and you get this.

As for performance, yes, I bet it contributes some.

Death is a step over injured, of course. A car passing safety tests well, does that translate to less death? Death may involve more impact than the safety tests use, which are pretty low speed I think. Speed kills, driver training emphasizes that. Then people forget about speed kills as time goes on. People will also argue about speed kills, this and that situation.

 

[edyvw]

Maybe I'm just blinded by the fact that I just don't take stupid risks and most people must not think that way. i don't use any of the asinine driving features though.

I just saw an ad on Facebook for wheel edge protectors for Teslas. I make the mistake of asking why all of these idiots keep curbing their wheels. The answer? It's not me, it's the FSD. Ok, then stop using it!

Regulations are not based on one person.
Also, those who ended up in accidents probably also wondered: who does xyz?

 

[Torrid]

Regulations are not based on one person.
Also, those who ended up in accidents probably also wondered: who does xyz?

I don't disagree with that, I just don't see why people would attempt to do stupid, unsafe things behind the wheel, yet many do.